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Old 03-May-12, 02:58
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Default Stronger sex..?

This is an article Ive found on thevalkyrie website. Although I guess it's partly fiction, there are some very interesting points and I'd like to know what you guys think about it. Here's the whole article, posted on 28/4/2012:


"Scientific analysis of why the female is the stronger sex
By Pau Brasi
Proving what we all now already, girls are stronger than guys

Girls have STRONGER MUSCLES and are going to get even stronger! Men on average have larger muscles -the Average female has only 55% of the average males muscles mass, but still she has 66-70 % of his strength.That means, biologically, the female muscle tissue is more efficient than the males by up to 15%.

Much scientific research has now gone to show that while fibre to fibre female muscle exerts the same force than men's, the male muscle only contracts 80% of it fibres, while the female fibres are nearly 100% efficient. Thus female muscle has up to 15% more strength over male muscle Dynamometer tests for evaluation of dynamic muscle power also shows the female muscle to be superior. Test showed that female muscle has 75% more endurance over male muscle. The study found that women outlasted men by an average of 75 per cent during muscle contractions under a load. Women's muscular endurance capacity is far greater than men's when working at the same relative intensity girls muscle fibers are stronger structurally, Estrogen binds muscles cells together thus strengthening muscle fibre and protecting the muscle from tearing or rupture. Its hypothesized that estrogen ''may be able to insert itself into cells, like muscle membranes, and stabilize them,
which would protect them from tearing.Research shows that men and women have on average equal ratios of fast/slow twitch muscle fibres, under a microscope you cannot tell male from female muscle. But since the
female muscle fibre is really stronger because of the cell binding of estrogen, overloading and overworking the muscles and then performing muscle biopsy tests reveal male muscle from the broken muscle fibres. Using electronic muscle stimulators to over load or overwork the muscle showed that male muscle fibres were breaking when female were not while doing the same work. Muscle is then found in the male blood stream but not in female.

Several investigations have reported greater relative increases in strength than in muscle size in women. Even though exercise induced muscle hypertrophy between female and male muscle shows a 7 and a 14% increase,
respectively due to the greater testosterone levels of men, the percentage strength gain for women was 29% compared to 22% for men, suggesting that, in addition to muscle hypertrophy, the observed strength increases
involve neuromuscular adaptations that are far more efficient in women. Only a few of these studies, however, have reported what muscle mass changes occurred. Findings also show that women exhibit a greater increase in
hypertrophy following the strength gains whereas in men hypertrophy occurred sooner after commencement of exercise but with less strength gains, suggesting that the females superior neuromuscular adaptations may play a major role alongside testosterone in strength gains and in hypertrophy.

Strength tests amongst male and female bodybuilders of the same muscle mass (i.e. weight, bmi, muscle size) confirmed all these findings. With the female athletes out performing their male counterparts in every way.
Perhaps the most dramatic of these was where an arm wrestling machine, developed by world champion Jack Barringer to ensure that no one can cheat or win by way of technique,- arm strength only could dictate the
winner of the contest, was used to contest the woman bodybuilder's strength against her male counterpart. Not only did she win, but the man's biceps were ruptured resulting in the need for hospital treatment, the female
muscle tore the male muscle apart! The science shows the female muscle is a stronger fibre than males.


Though the fibres are essentially the same, female muscle is treated with a fibre binding agent (estrogen) that elevates the fiber strength and durability! With the female bodybuilders greater fibre contraction efficiency, the
male bodybuilders bicep quickly reached it's endurance limit and the fibres start breaking (meanwhile the female muscle fibers continue to contract with little or no damage) the male muscle got weaker and weaker as it
lost more and more fibres, resulting in more load on to the remaining fibres. Until finally the man's muscle is stretched into an Eccentric Contraction, and ruptured.

As women become more comfortable with building strength and being strong, the gap between the sexes is rapidly disappearing. A Swedish female weightlifter recently broke the world record in the 52kg class for women. She had would off placed 3rd in the world for the 56 kg class for men! The Swedish record for men at that weight about 5 kgs less than for women right now. Women weightlifting has only being going a relatively few years compared to 100 odd years for men and yet they are gaining rapidly. It is highly likely that women will dominate the weight lifting scene very soon.

The popularity of women's wrestling has grown exponentially in the last decade, and yes girls have an advantage over men because of the weight placement in their hips and thighs. This low centre of gravity makes
pushups harder for girls than men but in wrestling is a positive factor of stability both standing and on the ground. Better suppleness and flexibility also help girls in wrestling situations. When a girl learns the best way
to utilize the shape of her body in wrestling they quickly find that men can be easily beaten as is shown in history.

Wrestling is the most important of the Mongolian culture's historic "Three Manly Skills", that also include horsemanship and archery. Genghis Kahn used wrestling to keep his army in good physical condition and ready for combat mongolian wrestlers wear a tunic called a jodag. The front is open but tied at the bottom with a simple string knot, exposing the wrestler's chest. This is because; on one occasion a wrestler woman disguised herself as a man and entered the national Nadaam wrestling festival. She then proceed to deliver a beating to all the other combatants, defeating them one by one, even breaking one man's back, to win the championship. She then ripped open the jodag to reveal her breasts, showing everyone that she was a young maiden. From that day, petrified that a girl will come along and beat them all up and humiliate them again, one of the most feared groups of fighting men in the world began to wear the jodag in a way to reveal the wrestler's chest. It is also thought that many other women had participated in previous Nadaam festivals, battled, and won but kept their gender a secret.

More recently women who now choose to practice and compete on men�s wrestling teams (legal if a separate women's program does not exist) are showing greater and greater success over their male counterparts.
And in Judo, women have become so strong that they can now beat men. According to Cuban news agency Prensa Latina. In may 2006 The Cuban womens team competed in a friendly against the Ecudorian men, and massacred them! The women's teamwon 28 out of 30 fights against the Ecuadorean men's team at the high performance centre in the Ecuadorian city of Cuenca.


Face it Gurrlzz rule!!!!!!!!!"



Is there even the slight chance that some of these stories are real??
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Old 03-May-12, 10:56
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Probably another nonsense created either by a sub who like to be dominated or a feminist who cant stand men lol
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Old 03-May-12, 12:16
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Is there even the slight chance that some of these stories are real??
unfortunately, probably not
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And in Judo, women have become so strong that they can now beat men. According to Cuban news agency Prensa Latina. In may 2006 The Cuban womens team competed in a friendly against the Ecudorian men, and massacred them! The women's teamwon 28 out of 30 fights against the Ecuadorean men's team at the high performance centre in the Ecuadorian city of Cuenca.
could not verify this particular statement, however, Cuba is known for their woman judokas. [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]
excerpt from that article

"Cuban female athletes have recently obtained better results than male athletes. Why?

"Male Judo has arrived in Cuba in 1951. Women started training in 1982. I have worked with women since the beginning till 1995. I think the main success factors of women’s Judo are the characteristics of the Cuban woman, their determination and will to win. They are not submissive woman. If a situation in which they have to show their positions and personalities appears, they will not hesitate. It is a peculiar characteristic of the Cuban women, and that is translated to the tatami, no doubt about it. Moreover, Cuban women are strong by nature. With some level of training, they develop their strength, their physique helps the correct use of the technique."
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Old 03-May-12, 13:46
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following edwardpaul's lead, i had a bit more of a look into some of the more verifiable claims.

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Men on average have larger muscles -the Average female has only 55% of the average males muscles mass, but still she has 66-70 % of his strength.That means, biologically, the female muscle tissue is more efficient than the males by up to 15%.
this and all that follows on is nonsense. muscle is the same across the genders in terms of strength (its the same biological material), men just have more muscle genetically and women have a higher fat percentage. p4p of total bodyweight, men are on average stronger, p4p muscles are identical. Source: [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

of course this ignores stuff like speed, skill, experience, mentality etc etc that come into fights, but on raw strength the claim in your post is untrue.

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Strength tests amongst male and female bodybuilders of the same muscle mass (i.e. weight, bmi, muscle size) confirmed all these findings. With the female athletes out performing their male counterparts in every way.
Perhaps the most dramatic of these was where an arm wrestling machine, developed by world champion Jack Barringer to ensure that no one can cheat or win by way of technique,- arm strength only could dictate the
winner of the contest, was used to contest the woman bodybuilder's strength against her male counterpart. Not only did she win, but the man's biceps were ruptured resulting in the need for hospital treatment, the female
muscle tore the male muscle apart! The science shows the female muscle is a stronger fibre than males.
jack barringer isn't a world champion anything, he's a marketing guy. the machine is apparently real but the story seems to have no evidence and is likely fake.

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Though the fibres are essentially the same, female muscle is treated with a fibre binding agent (estrogen) that elevates the fiber strength and durability! With the female bodybuilders greater fibre contraction efficiency, the
male bodybuilders bicep quickly reached it's endurance limit and the fibres start breaking (meanwhile the female muscle fibers continue to contract with little or no damage) the male muscle got weaker and weaker as it
lost more and more fibres, resulting in more load on to the remaining fibres. Until finally the man's muscle is stretched into an Eccentric Contraction, and ruptured.
based very losely on truth - but in mice. eitehr the author of the post you quote didnt read properly, or just didnt understand [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

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As women become more comfortable with building strength and being strong, the gap between the sexes is rapidly disappearing. A Swedish female weightlifter recently broke the world record in the 52kg class for women. She had would off placed 3rd in the world for the 56 kg class for men! The Swedish record for men at that weight about 5 kgs less than for women right now. Women weightlifting has only being going a relatively few years compared to 100 odd years for men and yet they are gaining rapidly. It is highly likely that women will dominate the weight lifting scene very soon.
first part referring to sweden is about lena berntsson. she holds the swedish record in her weight class for women, yep, but only came 15th in the world, and was well short of a world record, and was 94 kilos behind the 3rd placed man. (the all-time female record holder in her weight class would still be 37kg short of the 3rd placed man at that world championship)

worth noting that berntsson isnt a weightlifter normally, she's a sprinter who seems to have entered weightlifting for the hell of it. scandinavian nations arent mad into weightlifting - i could find no evidence at all of what the mens swedish record was.

women taking over the weightlifing scene soon, or at all, is pure fantasy on the authors part im afraid

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Genghis Kahn used wrestling to keep his army in good physical condition and ready for combat mongolian wrestlers wear a tunic called a jodag. The front is open but tied at the bottom with a simple string knot, exposing the wrestler's chest. This is because; on one occasion a wrestler woman disguised herself as a man and entered the national Nadaam wrestling festival. She then proceed to deliver a beating to all the other combatants, defeating them one by one, even breaking one man's back, to win the championship. She then ripped open the jodag to reveal her breasts, showing everyone that she was a young maiden. From that day, petrified that a girl will come along and beat them all up and humiliate them again, one of the most feared groups of fighting men in the world began to wear the jodag in a way to reveal the wrestler's chest. It is also thought that many other women had participated in previous Nadaam festivals, battled, and won but kept their gender a secret.
true in so far as its a legend associated with the sport, but is probably apocryphal. still, its a nice story
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More recently women who now choose to practice and compete on men�s wrestling teams (legal if a separate women's program does not exist) are showing greater and greater success over their male counterparts.
And in Judo, women have become so strong that they can now beat men. According to Cuban news agency Prensa Latina. In may 2006 The Cuban womens team competed in a friendly against the Ecudorian men, and massacred them! The women's teamwon 28 out of 30 fights against the Ecuadorean men's team at the high performance centre in the Ecuadorian city of Cuenca.
some evidence for this one! [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

unfortunately it has only one source - the cuban team coach, who is scarcely reliable, so could be propaganda. it is possible that its true still though (even though theres nothing to say it was the ecuador olympic team, as opposed to a club team), so let's believe it


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Is there even the slight chance that some of these stories are real??
as soon as people start bringing bad science into things they kinda ruin it for everyone because so much of what they say is made-up garbage. lets just enjoy it for what it is, huh? and not try to manipulate stuff and get into arguments over nonsense! lets just have fun
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On the other hand, don't get trapped by the ecological falacy. There is a huge range of strength, etc. among both men and women and these ranges overlap substantially. M vs F contests are not pitting statistical averages against each other, but individuals. There are many individual females who could beat most males at just about anything.
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This "article" as well as a new one just published by the same guy on DtV about the historicity of the amazons are obviously products of his imagination, but are well written and a nice departure from the usual story formula on this site. I for one enjoyed reading them and pretending they were real... hope he comes up with more.
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Warthog is right, this is fiction in a very special way. That's what it should be called though.

Thanks for the research, sleepinbin!
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i really like warthog's way of looking at it, very clever

no problem, zweig, i'm all for fantasy (and reality!) but when people mistake one for the other, especially with bad science it really gets my goat, lol
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You can cherry-pick all the research (done by others) and present it in a way to suit your point of view and this way you can "prove" anything you want. Most of these studies are meaningless as far as I'm concerned. What should matter is one's own experiences in life. I am of the belief that the difference in overall body strength between male and female is actually much smaller than we like to think. I don't believe our creator chose the physically weaker of the two genders to be be the ones who carry and give birth to young. Centuries of social conditioning have forced women to be less physically active and discouraged them from thinking of themselves as physical entities. Women are relative newcomers to competative sports and I think they are improving their performance faster that men.
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