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Old 11-Jan-16, 23:57
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We have different values then. I'm a softie for the whole 'Goodness prevails'. Mostly cause I hate the stories where the MC is a complete asshole who does nothing good, and we're supposed to like him. Why should I care for a guy who eats babies, or make friends with pedophiles? (That last part happened in a story I read once)
Speaking specifically about villainesses (not men), you're not neccessarily supposed to like them, but can't help but be turned on and fascinated by them - i.e. Famke Janssen as Xenia Onatopp in Goldeneye, Cory Everson in Double Impact and Ballistic.
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Speaking specifically about villainesses (not men), you're not neccessarily supposed to like them, but can't help but be turned on and fascinated by them - i.e. Famke Janssen as Xenia Onatopp in Goldeneye, Cory Everson in Double Impact and Ballistic.
Ah yes, Xenia Onatopp. In highschool, I did a long review series on James Bond. I will only say one word. OCTOPUSSY!

But in reality, Xenia was wrong... But oh so right.
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I don't like stories where the asshole wins. A bully is a bully, regardless of their gender, and shouldn't be cheered no matter how they bully. Stories where the guy is an asshole and gets what's coming to him are fine although I prefer more friendly consensual matches.

Rape is just wrong. I remember one story which was well done. A husband and wife were wrestling, just playing around, and the wife to the surprise of both got the advantage and won the match, clearly dominant by the end. I really liked it until the absolute end where the wife then raped the husband. Not okay with that.

Now I like stories which end with the woman completely dominant and in control physically and sexually over her male opponent, often with her making out on top of him. But while he may not have a choice in the matter, for me the story needs to be clear that if he did have a choice he would be there anyway. I admit the line is thin and fuzzy, but I do have one.

In these stories the woman always wins. But I want her to be a person I think that deserves to win.

Most of my pet peeves that haven't been mentioned already are purely a matter of taste. I dislike stories involving ballbusting or anything related; I'm not into that in the slightest. Stories that involve broken bones also I don't like. Stories, particularly of a sexual nature, that have one individual above and another below the age of consent, I find questionable at best. Two fifteen-years wrestling each other is fine, but not a 30 and 13 yr. old.

My biggest pet peeve though is no paragraph breaks. Seriously, I'm not reading a wall of text on a computer screen. I don't care how brilliant the writing is, without some breaks in there I'm not even going to try reading it.
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Old 12-Jan-16, 01:51
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I don't like stories where the asshole wins. A bully is a bully, regardless of their gender, and shouldn't be cheered no matter how they bully. Stories where the guy is an asshole and gets what's coming to him are fine although I prefer more friendly consensual matches.

Rape is just wrong. I remember one story which was well done. A husband and wife were wrestling, just playing around, and the wife to the surprise of both got the advantage and won the match, clearly dominant by the end. I really liked it until the absolute end where the wife then raped the husband. Not okay with that.

Now I like stories which end with the woman completely dominant and in control physically and sexually over her male opponent, often with her making out on top of him. But while he may not have a choice in the matter, for me the story needs to be clear that if he did have a choice he would be there anyway. I admit the line is thin and fuzzy, but I do have one.

In these stories the woman always wins. But I want her to be a person I think that deserves to win.

Most of my pet peeves that haven't been mentioned already are purely a matter of taste. I dislike stories involving ballbusting or anything related; I'm not into that in the slightest. Stories that involve broken bones also I don't like. Stories, particularly of a sexual nature, that have one individual above and another below the age of consent, I find questionable at best. Two fifteen-years wrestling each other is fine, but not a 30 and 13 yr. old.

My biggest pet peeve though is no paragraph breaks. Seriously, I'm not reading a wall of text on a computer screen. I don't care how brilliant the writing is, without some breaks in there I'm not even going to try reading it.
Hey, that story you mentioned... You mentioning a GW story?
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OK, here are my four pet peeves. I've tried to avoid issues of writing style or particular fantasies that I don't share - these are more what I consider to be lazy or cliched storytelling.

1. Underground fight clubs. I must have led a really sheltered life because I've never seen one of these outside of films and internet fantasies. And yet, in the world of mixed fighting stories, no street corner is complete without a dingy basement where no holds barred fights are arranged every Friday night (why always Friday??). I can just about handle this if the story is set in among violent gangsters or in some seedy dystopia where such things might be commonplace, but it seems these clubs exist in every town as a service for office workers who need to settle a promotion dispute, or couples sorting out their marriage difficulties. Who knew? Though given that these fight clubs are notoriously lacking in rules, referees, or most other useful facilities it beats me why the protagonists bother waiting to Friday night to settle their differences when they could do so equally well in a convenient back alley.

2. Inappropriately sexual endings. The athletic and gorgeous girl next door spots the creepy neighbour spying on her as she sunbathes in the garden. She grabs him, drags him into her home, wrestles him to the ground and beats the crap out of him, all the time letting him know just what a sick pervert he is. And then to complete his humiliation....she jerks him off! Erm, why exactly?? Isn't he going to, like, enjoy it? And isn't it a tad unlikely given the circumstances? If you want your male protagonist to get off at the end of the story, then at least set up a scenario where it makes some kind of sense.

3. Size/strength differences that defy the laws of physics. I guess some people do fantasise about 5'0", 100lb women beating up 250lb bodybuilders, and I know some small, well trained women can do real damage. But if your tiny girl can absorb the hardest blows of the hulking brute across the cage prior to knocking him down with her first punch then she isn't a girl but a space mutant from another planet. Which is fine if you're writing a superhero story, but in that case at least give her a suitable costume.

4. "Female celebrity becomes the world heavyweight champion" stories. I've no problem with female celebs fighting small guys, or even larger untrained slobs. Hell, I've written such stories myself. But here's the thing. Female celebrities are mostly really tiny, and even though they may be quite fit through dancing or know some martial arts from doing action roles, they generally can't actually fight. At all. So we're back to problem 3, only this time I already know that Selina Gomez isn't a space mutant from another planet (though now I think about it...). I'd really love it if people stopped writing stories about female actors, singers and models beating up men, and instead wrote about sportswomen, or even session wrestlers doing so. An honourable mention here to NewYork for his Lusa story - more of these would be good.

So I await the next story in which a 4'10" female celebrity destroys the world heavyweight champion in an underground fight club and then gives him a blowjob...

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Default Re: My four biggest pet peeves in m/f fighting stories

Wap we are on the same page. I know its some people's fetish but not mine. I hate videos where the guy gets blown. Name me one guy ever that was upset he got a BJ? (OK, besides jail. But even jail! The guy who gets it probably wants it)

I hate the 4'10 or 6'7 woman. I like realistic scenarios, or scenarios that could physically happen. Obviously my LUSA story wasn't really realistic, but the laws of physics it could def happen.
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OK, here are my four pet peeves. I've tried to avoid issues of writing style or particular fantasies that I don't share - these are more what I consider to be lazy or cliched storytelling.

1. Underground fight clubs. I must have led a really sheltered life because I've never seen one of these outside of films and internet fantasies. And yet, in the world of mixed fighting stories, no street corner is complete without a dingy basement where no holds barred fights are arranged every Friday night (why always Friday??). I can just about handle this if the story is set in among violent gangsters or in some seedy dystopia where such things might be commonplace, but it seems these clubs exist in every town as a service for office workers who need to settle a promotion dispute, or couples sorting out their marriage difficulties. Who knew? Though given that these fight clubs are notoriously lacking in rules, referees, or most other useful facilities it beats me why the protagonists bother waiting to Friday night to settle their differences when they could do so equally well in a convenient back alley.

2. Inappropriately sexual endings. The athletic and gorgeous girl next door spots the creepy neighbour spying on her as she sunbathes in the garden. She grabs him, drags him into her home, wrestles him to the ground and beats the crap out of him, all the time letting him know just what a sick pervert he is. And then to complete his humiliation....she jerks him off! Erm, why exactly?? Isn't he going to, like, enjoy it? And isn't it a tad unlikely given the circumstances? If you want your male protagonist to get off at the end of the story, then at least set up a scenario where it makes some kind of sense.

3. Size/strength differences that defy the laws of physics. I guess some people do fantasise about 5'0", 100lb women beating up 250lb bodybuilders, and I know some small, well trained women can do real damage. But if your tiny girl can absorb the hardest blows of the hulking brute across the cage prior to knocking him down with her first punch then she isn't a girl but a space mutant from another planet. Which is fine if you're writing a superhero story, but in that case at least give her a suitable costume.

4. "Female celebrity becomes the world heavyweight champion" stories. I've no problem with female celebs fighting small guys, or even larger untrained slobs. Hell, I've written such stories myself. But here's the thing. Female celebrities are mostly really tiny, and even though they may be quite fit through dancing or know some martial arts from doing action roles, they generally can't actually fight. At all. So we're back to problem 3, only this time I already know that Selina Gomez isn't a space mutant from another planet (though now I think about it...). I'd really love it if people stopped writing stories about female actors, singers and models beating up men, and instead wrote about sportswomen, or even session wrestlers doing so. An honourable mention here to NewYork for his Lusa story - more of these would be good.

So I await the next story in which a 4'10" female celebrity destroys the world heavyweight champion in an underground fight club and then gives him a blowjob...

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So I await the next story in which a 4'10" female celebrity destroys the world heavyweight champion in an underground fight club and then gives him a blowjob...

wap


I find myself among the ones that indentify themselves with the male that's to be defeated, so the HJ/BJ/riding that comes afterwards is what I'd like the victor to perform on me. Same in many videos, though they tend to have 10 min of wrestling and 15 min of jerking off. How do they last that much? Also, the "perv that ends up fucked" is a common thing in porn.

Of course it's illogical that the loser should get sexual satisfaction from the victor. It cannot make sense unless you create a far-fetched story about how much the woman needs to get the guy's seed. ("Agent jobber: The plans have been encrypted into your sperm's DNA. You should jerk off at the secret destination only." "Oh no! It's super spy Mylegsa Krashyu! She wants to jerk me off and get the secret plans! I won't allow it" -Yeah right)

I have this kind of matches with my wife and we haven't ever gone as far as making an excuse other than "I have you under my control" or "You masturbated me earlier, now it's your turn".

I think the undergroud scene fulfills yet another fantasy in which people would like their crush (co-workers, neighbors, etc.) to secretly be into their fetish. It makes the fantasy more mainstream and makes the person feel like there's a better possibility. My only problem is that many of them devolve into graphic violence and domination/sadism, which turns me off.

Your numbers 3 and 4 are also peeves of mine, but I understand some people have such fantasies as well as with fantasy creatures or incest (I find stories about incest very disgusting and avoid them like the plague).

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It's true. All of it. Nobody likes MonkeyFreed.

I can't comment on the whole celebrity thing, since I'm guilty as charged of going to that well. Even worse that I've cut out the created character in favor of celeb/celeb, but tomayto, tomahto. I think the reason why celebrities getting more write-ups than session wrestlers is that we can watch them wrestle or dominant via video or pictures. If done well it can be a fun read, if it's not done well.....there's a Rousey/Holm II story that's a great example of bad celebrity writing. Once again, just my opinion.

My pet peeves:

-Excess Violence/brutality (Bone breaking, major physical harm and death): In my mind, a cut lip or a bloody nose when done right, can add drama to a story. When things start to look like a 1980's NWA match, then I get a little uneasy with the story. Unless it's pro-style and it's a gimmick match, but that's the one exception. Seakings (Which was linked and boy has it gone downhill) had some excessively brutal stories that were both mixed and fem/fem that seemed to be written just to be brutal. I don't mind a good squash match, but after awhile I just want the match to end already.

-Bodily functions being used: If stuff like cum, piss and shit are used to humiliate your opponent....that's just awful. Just have the guy or girl climax and that's it. Don't need to read the opponents cum being rubbed in their face or anything.

These last two were talked about earlier in the thread, but it's still peeves of mine.

-Really boring play-by-play: This was covered in the thread earlier and I can be guilty of this at times, but if it's just a basic write-up of the holds, I'm not reading. At least describe how the hold works, how much pain the victim is in or how much the person applying the hold is enjoying it. Be descriptive dammit! That's why I despise reading recaps of sporting events like wrestling or MMA because they're so damn boring. I'd rather watch a stream in a language I don't understand or on twitter since it has emotion attached to it.

-Stories about shows/movies/books/games that have no right having a story written about them: I can top the Popeye story. Full House f/m beatdown with Stephanie Tanner getting beat up.

Yep

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