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I know Cyborg already has her own thread here, but I'm a rebel. I think she's honestly doing her best to clean up her image: training hard to stay in shape, taking interviews and saying all the right things, and being an all-around good ambassador for her sport whenever the opportunity presents itself.
But 2 things will never go her way: 1) there is a segment of the sport that will never forgive the positive test 2) she'll never be a looker At this point in her career, I'm not convinced she can develop a more polished style. I believe she's tough as nails and hits hard as hell, but I don't think she's invincible. I'd be very surprised if she went on a 2-1/2 year run with multiple defenses and no losses. MAJOR credit to Evinger for taking this fight on short notice. She was in poor condition, but I think she earned a lot of respect by taking Cyborg into the 3rd round. Outside of Cyborg and Evinger (and maybe Holm?), I don't know who the 145s are, but you really need 10-12 of them at about the same level to make things interesting. For now, I'm not buying any of their fights based on what we have seen from that division so far, because Holm isn't going to give us any trash talk at all. How far are we away from having something to talk about here?
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Wasn't it 2 positive tests? But she "proved" one was accidental? |
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Cyborg has never looked impressive to me. She is like Wanderlei, wins her fights via bullrushing and swinging hard, and you can only go so far with that, until the fight game passes you by. The only reason this even works for her is because she is faster and stronger than her opponents. Even Gina Carano was more technical than Cyborg. She needs to improve to stay on top for longer. There are better fighters than Cyborg in women's MMA at the moment - I give Nunes a good chance against her, and even Shevchenko can possibly outpoint Cyborg and win.
As to 145 division in general, there's just not enough talented women of that size competing in MMA to make it interesting at this point. They opened 145 because they wanted Cyborg as a champion, since she is a good draw, and to spice things up with Ronda back when Ronda was on top. I'm interested to see how it develops.
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Can Kayla Harrison learn to box and get down to 145?
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She is actually the most technically well rounded female fighter in the UFC. I understand your position but I think that's mostly due to stereotypes associated with Cyborg which appeared when she was still raw technically and also during her rivalry with Ronda she was portrayed as some sort of "monster" and a bully. Also, she just demolished most of the girls she fought and hasn't really had time to showcase her technical progress. In the recent fight though I was very impressed with what I saw from her technique-wise and I'd like to share it with you, maybe it will change your mind... Cyborg didn't bullrush against Evinger at all but used both defensive counterpunching and effective aggression, using feints and great footwork. She has a variety of punches and goes to the body and throws solid kicks as well, using a lot of leg kicks to slow down the opponent. Her head movement has improved as well and she rolls with the punches more, trying some boxing-style defensive techniques more. Another thing that I liked is that her lead straight right hand has been on point, you rarely see MMA fighters throw those. Some examples of what I'm talking about from her last fight: [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register] 3:54 boxing head movement, baiting opponent in and countering with a stiff jab 6:40-7:00 again nice head movement and evading everything Evinger was throwing at her until Cyborg landed a massive right hand of her own 7:40-7:50 Philly shell defense from "Sugar" Cris Cyborg, that's some sweet science right here. How many MMA fighters (male and female) have this technique in their arsenal? I only noticed Conor McGregor employing shoulder roll from time to time. Or for example the sequence from 4:10 until 5:10 is typical for this fight. Cyborg controlling the range and counterpunching and then switching to attack when her opponent starts getting afraid to throw anything due to being countered all the time. Also notice her offensive footwork, she doesn't follow her opponent around but thinks one or two moves ahead and closes the opponent's escape routes by moving laterally instead of circling (that's why Tonya has nowhere to go when Cyborg pressures her), that's boxing 101 but sadly it happens to still be a mystery to many MMA fighters, maybe DC should take lessons from Cyborg because he was following Jon Jones around like a fool in their fight. Cyborg has improved greatly and now looks more like a boxer-puncher with some solid muay thai thrown in. She has better technical striking than most male fighters in the UFC. I don't know why people don't appreciate her technical skills but it could be because most MMA fans DKSAB. She is improving faster than any other WMMA fighter and has always been willing to test herself against the best women combat athletes from other sports at their game. She had a muay thai fight with Jorina Baars and recently sparred with female two time Olympic women boxing gold medalist Claressa Shields, and both of those women are bigger than Cyborg and hit hard as hell. Claressa is also faster than her. Even though she didn't win against those two she held her own against them and proved that she has a solid chin. She also competed and won in BJJ tournaments and trained with Olympic female freestyle wrestlers. She is working to improve every aspect of her game and hasn't even reached her prime yet. Compared to Cyborg Nunes is a joke and would get systematically butchered by Cyborg if she played it safe or destroyed by counterpunches if she stormed forward, it wouldn't even be competitive. That's assuming she would show up which she wouldn't. I love Valentina but she is way too small to keep Cyborg away from her. Cyborg is the GOAT of WMMA IMO. The only one who comes close P4P is Valentina Shevchenko but not H2H due to size difference. Added after 8 minutes: Quote:
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126 - featherweight 147 - welterweight 175 - light heavyweight MMA: 147 - featherweight 170 - welterweight The boxing names are more established and make more sense IMO. I mean let's face it, 145 lbs fighters in MMA walk around at over 160 pounds and are usually around 5 foot 8 tall, they pretty much represent the average size of the human male. The name featherweight assumes that we're dealing with small fighters. And MMA "welterweights" are big strong men who sometimes weigh over 200 pounds inbetween fights. Last edited by al89; 08-Aug-17 at 14:48. |
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