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Default Re: CFNM or CFNF Wrestling

Every time I post my updated list of The Top Fetish Wrestlers of All Time I keep hoping it will generate responses -- even criticisms -- about my choices and where I rated them.

Unfortunately, no one has yet critiqued my list in depth to let me know who should be on it but was left off and who perhaps was rated too high or too low.

I have ranked a lot of women from many walks of life -- session wrestlers, porn stars who made wrestling videos, spankers, ballbusters, femdoms, etc. -- trying to get a varied and as complete-as-possible look at the fetish wrestling industry over the last 60 years.

On my own I keep coming up with names of women who should have been previously ranked but were not because I was either ignorant to their existence or I initially felt they did not deserve to be ranked among the world's best but later realized I was wrong.

There are 11 new additions to this list including two women who definitely should have been on in prior postings -- Ina Black and Saharra Huxly.

Yet, there are probably 100 or more fetish grapplers of the past and present who should be on this list and hopefully will one day find their way to it as I further research the industry and post further updates.

I hope members of this forum enjoy this updated list and -- again -- feel free to debate my choices, especially if I have omitted your favorite:

Edit: Formatted table to forum format. Now it is sortable Love your work on this, btw!
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Top Fetish Wrestlers of All Time (1-50)

RankDid CFNM(F)NameStatusHeightWeightShoe sizeLocationPrevious rank
1NoHelen Von MottA5' 8"15510California, USA1
2YesGoddess SeveraA6' 5"18012.5California, USA3
3YesAngel (Riptide) OrsiniA5' 6"155?Florida, USA2
4NoNicole BassA6' 2"24012New York, USA4
5NoVeVe LaneA5' 4"1207.5New York, USA5
6NoBeatrice GoffinR5' 3"130?Belgium6
7NoKarla NelsenR5' 10"225?Minnesota, USA7
8YesAziza (Woman’s World)R5' 11"16511?Florida?, USA8
9YesNancy NovakR5' 7"15010Nevada, USA9
10NoSyd BlakovichA5' 2"120?California, USA12
11YesBunny GlamazonA6' 3"22012Indiana, USA13
12NoLaura Vukov (Larissa)R5' 10"190?USA14
13NoKathy GiffordA5' 3"?125?England21
14NoZiggyA5' 4"140?New Jersey, USA42
15YesRobin (Suzi Johnson)A5' 6"1206.5California, USA15
16YesSandy (The Heel) WhiteA5' 4"165?California, USA16
17NoAmazon AnnieA6' 0"20011New York, USA55
18YesSaharra HuxlyA6' 0"21011Florida, USAUnranked
19YesMistress KaraA5' 7"1559California, USA19
20NoGabrielle HamesR6' 1"20511?Nevada, USA (Germ.)10
21NoJudell DulongR5' 6"135?California, USA20
22YesMistress AmritaA5' 6"1306.5France (Japan)22
23NoRaquel (Racquel)A5' 5"140?Washington, USA23
24NoMikayla MilesA6' 3"22014Colorado, USA11
25NoIna BlackA5' 7"155?England (Bulgaria)Unranked
26YesDia ZervaR5' 5"1259Nevada, USA17
27YesAriel XA5' 4"1156.5California, USA18
28NoKassidyA6' 0"150?England26
29YesAnna KondaA5' 4"245?Germany107
30NoNadegeA5' 2"110?Belgium115
31YesApril HunterA5' 9"15010Kentucky, USA24
32NoSpice WilliamsR5' 8"135?California, USA25
33YesKristie EtzoldA5' 4"1659California, USA50
34NoXanaA5' 2"120?Russia27
35YesAntschaA5' 3"1307.5Hungary28
36YesAfrikaA5' 9"19010California, USA29
37YesMaxxyne PayneA5' 10"14510Georgia, USA30
38YesGoddess AmazonA6' 2"180?12Georgia, US31
39YesAbby AldrichA5' 10"15010USA?35
40YesGoldie BlairA5' 3"1255.5California, USA (Eng.)119
41YesDragon LilyA5' 4"1307.5Nevada, USA91
42YesIsamar GutierrezA5' 3"140?California, USA40
43YesKasie CavanaughA5' 7"175?California, USA57
44YesDaisy DucatiA5' 9"1309California, USAUnranked
45NoSonia FernandesA5' 8"140?England32
46YesJennifer ThomasA5' 1"135?California, USA43
47YesChristine DupreeA5' 5"132?California, USA33
48YesMistress TrishA5' 6"120?New York?, USA34
49NoQueen (Adrena) KongR6' 4"33011California, USA37
50YesScarlett DevineA5' 11"14511Nevada, USA36
51NoSally McNeilR5' 3"160?USA40
52NoLee PriceR5' 8"140?USA49
53NoJulie SqueezeA5' 7"135?California, USA44
54YesCheyenne JewelA5' 5"1308Nevada, USA45
55YesGia PrimoA5' 4"1206Illinois, USA46
56NoJoan WiseR?130?NCalifornia, USA
57NoTigra (Liea Kawaii)A?5' 8"160?USA48
58NoArekah LoxA5' 11"18511California, USA49
59YesMistress TreasureA5' 6"150?Nevada, USA51
60NoChristine MarshallA5' 2"150?S. Carol., USA (Eng.)52
61YesMistress MonikaR?5' 9"?150?9?Poland53
62YesHeather TristanyA5' 7"1358.5USA54
63NoThea BenningtonR5' 10"180?California?, USA56
64YesJill MonroeR5' 6"133?Scotland58
65NoCory EversonR5' 9"1608.5Wisconsin, USA59
66YesAlex Del MonaccoA5' 6"1106.5Illinois, USA60
67NoLiz LightspeedA5' 8"1308California, USA61
68YesRaptureA5' 10"1659Nevada, USA47
69NoSkye (Debra Loveless)A6' 6"18013Texas, USA62
70YesKeri SpectrumA5' 7"135?New Jersey63
71NoTiffanyA6' 0"165?Czech Republic64
72NoHurricane HavanaA5' 4"115?California, USA (Cuba)65
73NoLia LabowA5' 8"130?New England, USA66
74NoCindy HuntressA?5' 5"140?Canada (Vancouver. BC)67
75NoPetraA5' 9"155?Czech Republic68
76NoUnique LeighA5' 4"125?Missouri, USA69
77NoLora OttenadA5' 8"190?Nevada, USA70
78YesAmber BlackA5' 11"18011New Mexico, USA71
79YesDomina Nyx (Blake)A5' 7"1209New York, USA72
80YesSantanaD5' 4"120??California, USA73
81YesMistress EliseA5' 10"130?England81
82NoLisa Marie (Joan Wise)R?5' 11"160?New Zealand74
83YesKatja (Femaledom)A5' 7"1308.5Romania75
84YesMaria (Femaledom)A5' 6"1458.5Spain76
85YesLady InessaA5' 9"1257.5Italy/Canada (Russia)77
86YesIsabella (Ballbusting Chicks)A5' 9"140?9.5?Germany?Unranked
87NoMalibuA5' 8"150?California, USA78
88NoNikki FierceA5' 4"120?California, USA79
89NoEbony AyesR?5' 6"125?Georgia, USA80
90YesClaire AdamsA5' 5"1207.5USA82
91YesAngella FaithA5' 2"115?California, USA83
92YesPhoenix AskaniA5' 8"1259.5California, USA84
93YesDiana KnightA5' 8"1258.5California, USA85
94YesEmma ButtA5' 11"1509.5England86
95YesDebra D’AndreaA5' 7"1708.5Florida, USA87
96YesFrancesca LeA5' 2"120?California, USA89
97YesAudrey LeighA5' 8"120?USA90
98YesJenna PrestonA5' 11"1409Canada (Toronto)93
99YesSkylar ReneA5' 7"1509California, USA94
100YesJasmine MendezA5' 10"15011California, US95
101NoYasmin TellesA5' 8"1359Nevada, USA88
102NoMs. RayneA?5' 10"190?Washington, USA92
103YesMelanie MemphisA5' 7"1308.5Hungary96
104YesYana JordanA5' 5"135?California, USA97
105YesMax MikitaA5' 7"1309USA98
106YesGoddess Ava AmadahyA5' 9"1258.5Florida, USA99
107YesJ.C. SimpsonA5' 11"1408.5Florida, USA100
108NoOrsi BA5' 7"130?Hungary101
109NoNikky ThorneA5' 3"120?Hungary102
110YesShania (Femaledom)A5' 3"1257.5Hungary103
111YesAriella FerreraA5' 7"1157.5Colombia104
112NoBlake MitchellR?5' 4"??USA105
113YesAsian Kim (Carolina Catfights)R5' 4"135?N. Carol., USAUnranked
114YesYuliya KateA5' 7"1307Canada (Vancouver)106
115YesCory ChaseA5' 6"1207.5Florida, USA108
116NoCharlie Golden KattR5' 8"145?California, USA109
117NoShauna RyanneA5' 4"130?Nevada, USA110
118YesRachel (Woman’s World)R5' 10"1409Florida, USA111
119YesBrianna BeachA5' 7"1257Florida, USA112
120NoAshley WildcatA5' 9"130?Illinois, USA113
121YesEliza DivineA5' 6"1308Georgia, USA114
122YesCherry MorganA5' 9"1407Tennessee, USAUnranked
123YesWenonaA5' 9"1257.5Florida, USA116
124NoAmber O’NealA5' 8"140?California, USA117
125YesNicole OringA5' 3"1006USA (S. Korea)118
126NoChristie RicciA5' 10"160?Mississippi, USA120
127YesFrankie ZappitelliA5' 8"1308.5California, USA (Canada)121
128YesCandi (Woman’s World)A5' 7"1259?Florida, US123
129YesPrinzzess SaharaA5' 4"115?USA124
130YesTylene BuckA5' 6"1357.5California, US125
131YesEmily AddisonA5' 4"1156.5New York, USA126
132YesAnastasia PierceA5' 10"1309California (Switz.)127
133YesShelly (Burbank Bomber) BergA5' 8"165?California, USA128
134YesSandy (Femaledom)R?5' 7"1358.5Hungary129
135YesJoey (Nut Crunch Central)R?5' 10"160?10?USA130
136YesHellena HeavenlyA5' 7"1358California, USA131
137YesLady MiladyA5' 9"160?England151
138YesAshlee ChambersA5' 4"135?Texas, USAUnranked
139NoCandy SamplesR5' 4"1206Missouri, USA132
140NoUschi DigardR5' 7"1357.5California (Sweden)133
141YesShelli (Woman’s World)A5' 6"130?Florida, USA134
142YesSybil StarrA5' 4"1206Michigan, USA135
143YesCandy (Double Trouble)A5' 4"?120??USA136
144YesLady VictoriaR5' 3"140?Ohio, USA137
145YesPenny BarberA5' 6"140?USA138
146YesJade IndicaA5' 2"1158New York, USAUnranked
147YesKelsiA5' 6"110??USA139
148YesVanessa HardingA5' 7"130?Florida, USA140
149YesJulie WinchesterA5' 5"115?Nevada, USA141
150YesJolene (The Valkyrie) HexxA5' 8"1308.5Nevada, USA142
151YesJulia Jameson (Nu West/Leda)R?5' 10"176??California, USA?Unranked
152YesBrittany Lynn (Sexy Fantasies)A5' 4"120?USAUnranked
153YesTanya DanielleA5' 5"115?California, USA143
154NoTomikoA5' 5"140?Nevada, USA144
155YesLisa Comshaw (Tori Sinclair)A5' 6"1258.5California, USA145
156NoBettie PageD5' 5"1306.5California, USA146
157YesLeigh BetchleyR5' 1"105??California, USA147
158YesHollywood (Jeanne Basone)A5' 7"1258.5California, USA148
159YesAndre ShaktiA5' 6"11510USAUnranked
160NoQuisha (Quisha Page)A5' 5"125?California?, USA122
161NoSharon MarvelR5' 3"130?Virginia, USA149
162YesLexi DavisA5' 10"135?Georgia, USA150
163NoTreena CollinsR?5' 8.5"140?USA152
164YesSinn SageA5' 5"1308California, USA153
165YesRandy MooreA5' 8"12510California, USA154
166YesStacy BurkeA5' 3"1055.5California, USA155
167YesMutinyA5' 3"1307.5Canada (Montreal)156
168NoDorota FlamedraganA5' 7"160?Canada157
169NoDanni AsheA5' 2"115?USA158
170NoCoral SandsA5' 8"140?Alabama, USA159
171NoKay BaxterD5' 3"120?Ohio, USA160
172YesJewell MarceauA5' 3"130?California, USA161
173NoBillyonA5' 7"130?USA162
174YesVenus DeLightA5' 4"130?Minnesota, USA163
175NoCheryl RusaR5' 1"100?California, USA164

# A = Active; R = Retired; D = Deceased


If any wrestler has been omitted from my rankings that you believe belongs among the 175 grapplers ranked above, please indicate where you think that omitted wrestler should be placed and the reasons why.

Also, if you believe that I over-ranked or under-ranked a particular wrestler on the above list, please tell me where you believe that wrestler should be rated and your reasons why.
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Default Re: CFNM or CFNF Wrestling

What an extraordinary list!
What kind of validity can it have, for what purpose, and what on earth can it be based on?

If I were to give a list of Olympic champions, it would be based on their having won competitions held under reasonable, or at least consistent, rules. Nevertheless there could be plausible doubt if they were really the "best" wrestlers.

But the list above can be nothing more than the result of applying some subjective, personal criterion.
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Default Re: CFNM or CFNF Wrestling

Yes it is a subjective list but then we'd all come up with a subjective list. We have our favorites. I think it's an excellent job of listing the women he believes are the best. He also admits there might be others who should be on the list. Use it as a start point to add or subtract others as you recommend. Thank you Cigar, good job.
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In wake of the comments so far, I should clarify the origins of my list – my own sick mind.

First, I want to thank both Ellie and Freestyle for their comments. Perhaps they and others would like to post their Top 20 or so female fetish wrestlers and we can compare our choices.

Of course my list is subjective. What else could it possibly be?

There is no committee of representatives from this forum or any other that have helped me compile it. I do not gather with friends – what, a circle of neighborhood pervs?—to put this list together. Even my closest friends do not know of my love for fetish wrestling. (Does anyone on this board tell their friends, co-workers, anyone that they love to grapple with gals or watch ladies fight? I rather doubt it.)

I have gathered results from videotaped matches and photo sets – who beat who in actual fem vs. fem matches – to try to rate the gals in order.

It’s a lot tougher to mix in and give a rank to the women who only wrestle men, especially when the females’ spotless records are against males who routinely put them over.

In addition to the excellent wrestlers like Helen Von Mott and Veve Lane, I also include in the mix the many fine jobbers out there like Lisa Comshaw, Frankie Zappitelli, Sinn Sage and others who so often agree in scripted matches to be the “humiliated” loser against women they might be able to beat in non-staged fights.

And I sprinkle in women who barely wrestle, but rather primarily engage in other similar combat activities against men and other women – femdom, ballbusting, c-busting, spanking, whipping, etc.

And I offer the list to members of this board and encourage the knowledgeable ones – especially those who pay a lot of money for the experience of session wrestling – to help me make the list much better by making me aware of other women wrestlers who should be among those who deserve recognition.

Next up, I will introduce another subjective list – my All-Time Top CFNM-CFNF Fetish Wrestlers (by nine weight divisions).
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In my previous posting of my most recently updated list of the Top 175 Fetish Wrestlers of All Time, I included on-themed women who have done CFNM (clothed female, nude male) and CFNF (clothed female, nude female) wrestling matches along with those who have not ventured into that genre.

I wanted to make that particular list as inclusive and complete as possible.

But, then again, this thread is all about clothed women wrestling or fighting with naked men and nude women. I felt there should be a ranking system set aside for those ladies who have both stripped an opponent while keeping their clothes on and those who have found themselves battling naked against a clothed woman.

So, what I have done is separate from my list of 175, the 109 women who have engaged in CFNM or CFNF combat in photo shoots or in at least one video.

As a result, you will not find such top wrestlers as Helen Von Mott, Veve Lane and Ziggy, who for one reason or another have declined to engage in mat action against an unclad male or female. Some outright refuse, others probably have not gotten around to doing such videotaped matches.

Let’s face it, CFNM and CFNF wrestling is just not everyone’s cup of tea.
However, anyone who opens up this thread to read the postings or look at the pictures is likely into this particular fetish wrestling niche.

The following rankings include both active, retired and one deceased wrestler as it is meant to acknowledge the all-time CFNM/CFNF wrestling best.

So it should not come as a surprise that at least two of my No. 1s no longer fetish wrestle – light heavyweight Aziza from Woman’s World Productions of South Florida and ex-Ultimate Surrender Season champion Dia Zerva, my top featherweight.

And, in some cases it did not take many matches for a couple of the women to achieve the top spot in their particular weight class:

 Aziza made just three CFNF matches as the CF – against NFs Rachel, Candi and Zora, all for Woman’s World.

 Top middleweight Angel “Riptide” Orsini made just two CFNF wrestling videos (as the CF) prior to turning to the professional ring, defeating NFs Rachel and Jill Monroe, also for Woman’s World.

 And highly sought-after session wrestler Jennifer Thomas, the top welterweight on the following list -- and a regular contributor to this forum -- has had just one known videotaped CFNF fight encounter as the CF defeating NF Sam The Stripper, aka Samantha Grace, an experienced Southern California session wrestler.

In another thread on this forum, I questioned Jennifer about her having made this particular video. She said she barely remembered doing it. She said she does not do nudity in videos, but when the director asked her if her opponent could be naked, she said that was OK. (I kind of got the opinion that Jennifer does not consider this video among her finest work in the fetish wrestling biz.)

Jennifer, however, indicated to readers of this forum that she does not plan to do another CFNF match, although bikini-clad Jennifer did defeat a topless Lisa Comshaw in a videotaped match for Robin’s Les Femmes Fatales production company.

Also, Jennifer told this forum that she has no intention of doing a CFNM wrestling video.

At the bottom of this posting are photos of the No. 1-ranked wrestlers in each division in order from heavyweight to flyweight. The images depict them as CFs defeating either a naked man or a nude woman.

Again, your comments to – and criticisms of -- the following rankings below are most welcomed.

All-Time Top CFNM/CFNF Wrestlers by Weight Classes

All of the women below are or were fetish wrestlers who either wrestled clothed against nude men or nude women or were nude against clothed women in photographs or in at least one videotaped match.

Heavyweights (176 pounds or greater)
1 Goddess Severa (6-5, 180) California, USA
2 Bunny Glamazon (6-3, 220) Indiana, USA
3 Saharra Huxly (6-0, 210), Florida, USA
4 Afrika (5-9, 190) California, USA
5 Anna Konda (5-4, 245) Germany
6 Afrika (5-9, 190) California, USA
7 Goddess Amazon (6-2, 180?) Georgia, USA
8 Amber Black (5-11, 180) New Mexico, USA
9 Julia Jameson (5-10?, 176?) California, USA

Light Heavyweights (156-175 pounds)
1 Aziza (5-11, 165), Florida?, USA
2 Nancy Novak (5-7, 150) Nevada, USA
3 Sandy White (5-4, 165?) California, USA
4 Kristie Etzold (5-4, 165) California, USA
5 Kasie Cavanaugh (5-7, 175) California, USA
6 Rapture (5-10, 165) Nevada, USA
7 Debra D’Andrea (5-9, 170) Florida, USA
8 Shelly “The Burbank Bomber” Berg (5-8, 165) California, USA
9 Joey [of Nut Crunch Central] (5-10, 160?) USA
10 Lady Milady (5-9, 160) England

Super Middleweights (146-155 pounds)
1 Angel “Riptide” Orsini (5-6, 155) Florida, USA
2 Mistress Kara (5-7, 155)
3 April Hunter (5-9, 150) Kentucky, USA
4 Abby Aldrich (5-10, 150) USA
5 Mistress Treasure (5-6, 150) Nevada, USA
6 Mistress Monika (5-9?, 150) Poland
7 Emma Butt (5-11, 150) England
8 Skylar Rene (5-7, 150) California, USA
9 Jasmine Mendez (5-10, 150) California, USA

Middleweights (136-145 pounds)
1 Maxxyne Payne (5-10?, 145) Georgia, USA
2 Isamar Gutierrez (5-3, 140) California, USA
3 Scarlett Devine (5-11, 145) Nevada, USA
4 Maria [of Femaledom] (5-6, 145) Spain
5 Isabella [of Ballbusting Chicks] (5-9. 140?) Germany?
6 Jenna Preston (5-11, 140) Toronto, Canada
7 J.C. Simpson (5-11, 140) Florida, USA
8 Rachel [of Woman’s World] (5-10, 140) Florida, USA
9 Cherry Morgan (5-9, 140) Tennessee, USA
10 Lady Victoria (5-3, 140) Ohio, USA
11 Penny Barber (5-6, 140) USA

Welterweights (131-135 pounds)
1 Jennifer Thomas (5-1, 135) California, USA
2 Christine Dupree (5-5, 132) California, USA
3 Heather Tristany (5-7, 135) USA
4 Jill Monroe (5-6, 133) Scotland
5 Keri Spectrum (5-7, 135) New Jersey, USA
6 Yana Jordan (5-5, 135) California, USA
7 Asian Kim [of Carolina Catfights] (5-4, 135) North Carolina, USA
8 Tylene Buck (5-6, 135) California, USA
9 Sandy [of Femaledom] (5-7, 135) Hungary
10 Hellena Heavenly (5-7, 135) California, USA
11 Ashlee Chambers (5-4, 135) Texas, USA
12 Lexi Davis (5-10, 135) Georgia, USA

Lightweights (126-130 pounds)
1 Mistress Amrita (5-6, 130) France by way of Japan
2 Antscha (5-3, 130) Hungary
3 Dragon Lily (5-4, 130) Nevada, USA
4 Daisy Ducati (5-9, 130) California, USA
5 Cheyenne Jewel (5-5, 130) Nevada, USA
6 Mistress Elise (aka Eleise de Lacy) (5-10, 130) England
7 Katja [of Femaledom] (5-7, 130) Romania
8 Melanie Memphis (5-7, 130) Hungary
9 Max Mikita (5-7, 130) USA
10 Yuliya Kate (5-7, 130) Vancouver, Canada
11 Eliza Divine (5-6, 128) Georgia, USA
12 Frankie Zappitelli (5-8, 130), Canada
13 Candi [of Woman’s World] (5-7, 127) Florida, USA
14 Anastasia Pierce (5-10, 130) Switzerland
15 Shelli [Woman’s World] (5-6, 130) Florida, USA
16 Vanessa Harding (5-7, 130) Florida, USA
17 Jolene the Valkyrie Hexx (5-8, 130) Nevada, USA
18 Sinn Sage (5-5,130) California, USA
19 Mutiny (5-3, 130) Montreal Canada
20 Jewell Marceau (5-3, 130) California, USA
21 Venus DeLight (5-4, 130) Minnesota, USA

Featherweights (121-125 pounds)
1 Dia Zerva (5-5, 125) Nevada, USA
2 Goldie Blair (5-3, 125) England
3 Lady Inessa (5-9, 125) Canada by way of Russia
4 Phoenix Askani (5-8, 125) California, USA
5 Diana Knight (5-8, 125) California, USA
6 Goddess Ava Amadahy (5-9, 125) Florida, USA
7 Shania [of Femaledom] (5-3, 125) Hungary
8 Brianna Beach (5-7, 125) Florida, USA
9 Wenona (5-9, 125) Florida, USA
10 Candi [of Woman’s World] (5-7, 125) Florida, USA
11 Lisa Comshaw (5-6, 125) California, USA
12 Hollywood [ aka Jeanne Basone] (5-7, 125) California, USA
13 Randy Moore (5-8, 125) California, USA

Bantamweights (116-120 pounds)
1 Robin [of Les Femme Fatales] (5-6, 120) California, USA
2 Mistress Trish (5-6, 120) New York?, USA
3 Gia Primo (5-4, 120) Illinois, USA
3 Domina Nyx [aka Nyx Blake] (5-7, 120) New York, USA
4 Santana [of Double Trouble] (5-4, 120?), California, USA [DECEASED]
5 Claire Adams (5-5, 120) USA
6 Francesca Le (5-2, 120) California, USA
7 Audrey Leigh (5-8, 120) USA
8 Cory Chase (5-6, 120) Florida, USA
9 Sybil Starr (5-4, 120) Michigan, USA
10 Candy [of Double Trouble] (5-4?, 120?) USA
11 Brittany Lynn [of Sexy Fantasies] (5-4, 120), USA

Flyweights (115 pounds or less)
1 Ariel X (5-4, 115) California, USA
2 Alex Del Monacco (5-6, 110) Illinois, USA
3 Angella Faith (5-2, 115) California, USA
4 Ariella Ferrera (5-7, 115) Colombia
5 Nicole Oring (5-3, 100) USA by way of South Korea
6 Prinzzess Sahara (5-4, 115) USA
7 Emily Addison (5-4, 115) New York, USA
8 Jade Indica (5-2, 115) New York, USA
9 Kelsi (5-6, 110?) USA
10 Julie Winchester (5-5, 115) Nevada, USA
11 Tanya Danielle (5-5, 115) California, USA
12 Leigh Betchley (5-1, 105?) California, USA
13 Andre Shakti (5-6, 115) USA
14 Stacy Burke (5-3, 105) California, USA
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The final woman we will be looking at before I update my Top Fetish Wrestlers of All Time list is a gal I should have long ago put in the rankings –a wrestling domme named Saharra Huxly.
dunno if you know this and i hop ei am not bursting any bubbles here, but she used to be a he back in the days. sahara is a well-known transsexual.
it might not matter to everyone but as it probably matters to some,i thought it would be right to share the info.
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Luffa, Thank you for your input, but I am deeply troubled by what you wrote – and not for the reason you may think I might be troubled.

I am heterosexual but I am not homophobic nor have I got anything against transgenders (although I do have trouble accepting that a woman, Ms. Jenner, won the Decathlon at the 1968 Olympics in Mexico City, chuckle, chuckle).

However, because my Top Fetish Wrestlers of All Time list is devoted to female grapplers, I have avoided knowingly listing transgenders. They just do not fit the spirit of this forum or our particular fetish.

Based on your statement, Luffa, I viewed numerous Google pages under appropriate – and, dare I say, inappropriate -- search terms and I have found nothing that confirms that what you posted has a shred of accuracy.

I remind everyone that the Internet is a filthy, horrible place that would have no trouble outing a public figure like a female adult film star having been at one-time a dude.

Quite frankly such a fact would be plastered all over the porn-driven internet and I would have had no trouble finding what Luffa posted with a simple Google search.

Yes, Saharra is a big woman and yes she appears to be a gal who can kick many men’s asses. But, speaking for myself -- a man who admires tall and strong women -- I have learned over the years that a woman who is Amazonian in proportions does not mean that said woman used to be a fella.

My (real-life) wife is 6-foot-2 and weighs greater than 200 pounds. She also has large feet and large hands. But I have seen her “baby girl” birth certificate and her childhood photos. Other than being the tallest girl (and wearing a dress) in her 4th grade class, there is no substantiation she was ever anything but a female.

Yet my poor wife has spent almost all of her adult years as a woman having to defend that she is 100 percent to the distaff side. It has been horrible and hurtful for her to deal with such rumors and innuendo. So naturally I feel empathy for any woman who has to fend off such unsubstantiated claims.

Luffa, if you have any evidence – real evidence -- that any woman on my list is a transgender, post it and I will remove that woman from the rankings.

But, for now Saharra Huxly stays on my list. And, for you Saharra Huxly fans, I plan in the next few days to post some more action images of her, including Saharra’s victory over ChiChi Medina in a CFNF catfight in Saharra’s dungeon.

Also at this time I am asking the administrators of this forum to remove both Luffa’s post and my post as well as any other follow-up posts to this thread on this subject matter.

They border on homophobia and serve only as fodder to start
unsubstantiated rumors that a particular fetish wrestler/adult film star is anything other than what she advertises herself to be – a woman. If for nothing else we should be concerned about potential libel suits.

I mean no disrespect to Luffa who I would like to believe posted what he posted as a means to educate me and perhaps alert me to a mistake I may have made.

But his post should not have been made without being accompanied by links to legitimate, reliable and respected Web sites or other sources that would support his statement.

If Luffa somehow does come up with real evidence -- and if the administrators think it is appropriate to post it to this forum -- by all means he can repost his evidence-supported claim.
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Hey, @[Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register], just reformatted your table to the forum table format. Now it is sortable too (click on column titles). Love your work on this!

To see how it works, just quote your post #751 from this topic and you will see the code. Here's the start and end of the table:

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[table="head;"]Rank|Did CFNM(F)|Name|Status|Height|Weight|Shoe size|Location|Previous rank
1|No|Helen Von Mott|A|5' 8"|155|10|California, USA|1
2|Yes|Goddess Severa|A|6' 5"|180|12.5|California, USA|3
3|Yes|Angel (Riptide) Orsini|A|5' 6"|155|?|Florida, USA|2
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173|No|Billyon|A|5' 7"|130|?|USA|162
174|Yes|Venus DeLight|A|5' 4"|130|?|Minnesota, USA|163
175|No|Cheryl Rusa|R|5' 1"|100|?|California, USA|164
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Zweig:

Thank you for the template I will use it from now on. That was a really nice thing you did!

Perhaps you and the other administrators along with some knowledgeable other members would like to form a panel that would add or subtract women from my list and create a new list that is not so subjective (as one of the other members has suggested).

I would be happy to volunteer my time to tally all of the list change suggestions from all of the panel members.

Maybe we could start a thread specifically to post the new list created by the panel and update the list every two months. The general membership then would be given the opportunity to comment on the posted choices. Their comments would be seriously considered for future rating updates.

Also, members could post past and future match results – who beat who – from videotapes in their collections so we can be sure that we are fairly correct in rating one woman fetish wrestler over another.

Also, the many session wrestler members of this forum who have grappled with a lot of the women can give rating suggestions based on their past encounters with the ladies – who’s the strongest, who’s fastest, who has the most stamina, etc.

I really would like to have a list that is as complete and as arguably accurate as possible. I do not need to have my name on it. My ego is not that big.

We could call the new list the “Male-vs.-Female-Dot-Org Official All Time Top Female Fetish Wrestler List” or something like that.
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cigar4u, I love statistics, lists, categorization, generally speaking. So, my answer is yes. I always found your lists fascinating, not because I agree with them 100% (they are always subjective of course), and honestly, ballbusting and CFNM are not my things, which was always an important part of the fetish for you, as I can understand, but because I know how much work goes into this, and how much passion is at work here.

OK, if we are doing it site-wide...

I think as a first step we should define what attributes / properties affect the rank of an individual. By this we will also define what list we are making. I think we should not focus on any single attribute, like skill, since I don't really think it will be interesting to make or read the list. We should choose several attributes which will all affect the rankings, some more than others of course. You have already done this in the ballbusting / skill level list. What we are lacking I think is true evaluation, via assigning numbers to these attributes.

To make it as little subjective as possible, we can take input from forum members, just as you suggested. Firstly, we simply prepare a list of names. Then create a poll. Then we can go in two directions. One - we choose a group of users and ask them to vote in a poll, where they would assign numeric values to each of the attributes of each of the presented wrestlers. Or two - we make the poll public and take everybody's input. What do you think would work better?

If we are creating a list called Top 100 Fetish Wrestlers of All-Time, here are the attributes that I suggest:
Attribute 1: Input to the development of the scene. Importance value: 10
Attribute 2: Skill level (p4p, hence size doesn't matter). Importance value: 8
Attribute 3: Looks / attractiveness: Importance value: 6

I think we should experiment with importance value, and see what suits the list best.

I suggest 10 point system for the attributes. For example, here's a list of just two wrestlers, and an example user votes:

Wrestler A
Attribute 1: user voted 8
Attribute 2: user voted 8
Attribute 3: user voted 6

Wrestler B
Attribute 1: user voted 6
Attribute 2: user voted 7
Attribute 3: user voted 10

Overall numeric value of Wrestler A: 8x10 + 8x8 + 6x6 = 180
Overall numeric value of Wrestler B: 6x10 + 7x8 + 10x6 = 176

Final List:
Rank 1: Wrestler A, with 180 points
Rank 2: Wrestler B, with 176 points
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