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Old 28-Nov-14, 14:00
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Jay, the fact that you take our input is awesome. And I love your honesty. When I asked Jay if he could have a girl spit in his videos he was like, "Not on my face."

Anyways, I would love where you actually wrestled. You can still have the scisssors submit you, but start out with wrestling so the girl "earns" her victory.
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The only real problem I have would be having my face on video all over the internet. Any guy victims here know how they were able to appear on video without worrying about family/friends finding out? Was it such a low risk that you did not care?

I use a fake name...and Kip, who runs Utopia explained it to me this way...the only people you know who are going to see your face in these videos, are the ones who are specifically searching for them anyway...so as a fan, they wouldn't look at you negatively for it. Also, I'm an actor, so I look at it as just another paid acting gig that I get paid to roll around with a pretty girl in a bikini for.
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Any guy victims here know how they were able to appear on video without worrying about family/friends finding out? Was it such a low risk that you did not care?
The chances of anybody seeing and recognizing you in a wrestling video are superficial. I'd say 99% of people are not aware that this wrestling fetish exists at all. None of the people I have met in my life and talked to about it were aware of the thing unless they were involved in it personally. And if, by an off chance, someone who knows you in person sees you in a video online, it's only because they are into it too, and thus they wouldn't misunderstand it.
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I just think that potential models need to be prepared for a worst case scenario of being found out and what it could do to your life. Fetish models have had their bank accounts closed when banks found out what they did. Teachers and nurses have been fired from their jobs for doing not even porn but just fetish work. A Fox News personality was outed a few years ago for doing foot fetish videos when she was younger and while nothing happened to her it does remind you that you could be outed. Rex Ryan( an American football coach) faced a lot of ridicule and embarrassment appearing in his wife's foot fetish video. I agree that it is rare to be found out, but not impossible. That is partly why very few models use their real names. (They also don't want to be harassed by fans, stalkers, etc.) Also, no one ever talks about why the person who outed a model was trolling on fetish websites. That is usually conveniently forgotten.
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I just think that potential models need to be prepared for a worst case scenario of being found out and what it could do to your life. Fetish models have had their bank accounts closed when banks found out what they did. Teachers and nurses have been fired from their jobs for doing not even porn but just fetish work. A Fox News personality was outed a few years ago for doing foot fetish videos when she was younger and while nothing happened to her it does remind you that you could be outed. Rex Ryan( an American football coach) faced a lot of ridicule and embarrassment appearing in his wife's foot fetish video. I agree that it is rare to be found out, but not impossible. That is partly why very few models use their real names. (They also don't want to be harassed by fans, stalkers, etc.) Also, no one ever talks about why the person who outed a model was trolling on fetish websites. That is usually conveniently forgotten.
Years ago when I sessioned with Monica who used to work for Leather & Lace, she told me that one time she started an office job and either the first day or the first week a guy in the office recognized her from videos she was in. He asked her if she would wrestle him either during their lunch hour or after work. She quit that job right away.
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I can honestly say that we've never encountered the problem of recognition unless people use their real name. That's why we actually don't allow new girls to use their real name unless they are famous for it and really don't mind. We also have let models buy out. This actually happened yesterday. She paid us a fair amount and we removed all of her videos. It's a win win since they are happy that they don't have to worry about someone finding them on our site and we have extra money to invest in a new model. I'm not sure if any other companies do this but I truly believe it benefits all. Especially if they are old videos that probably won't sell much more.

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I cannot speak for others, but personally I really enjoy watching beautiful women knocking out men with any type of legscissor, arm choke, triangle choke, figure-four etc. I think It is nice having variety, and if a woman discovers a way to knock a guy out in a non-typical way it is really cool. I enjoy when a woman does some talking in videos telling the victim they are going to knock them out and they can't do anything about it or asking the victim if they want to be knocked out and the victim replying "no" or begging a little and the woman still knocks them out anyway. I think the victim talking a little bit is okay, like saying they can't breath but what they say should be true (the scissor should look really tight and well applied or the victim should have a red looking face). I like when a woman is in complete control and decides the fate of the victim. I think it is also cool when a woman knows what they are doing, say a video where they explain what they are doing/ how hard they are squeezing especially holds that will result in a knockout.

I also do not like false advertising, I hate reading a description that says there is a knockout but it is a fake knockout. The person is not even snoring or convulsing. Or if the person is fake snoring or convulsing.

It kind of gets redundant to have the same person being knocked out all the time. I am sure there are not many guys like me that actually enjoy being knocked out. I wish I lived closer or else I would be volunteering for shoots all the time,

The only real problem I have would be having my face on video all over the internet. Any guy victims here know how they were able to appear on video without worrying about family/friends finding out? Was it such a low risk that you did not care?


It is great when a video company sets up a scenario with a fit, beautiful girl who knows enough about wrestling holds to genuinely gain control of her opponent. After sketching out a suggested scenario and basic fair rules, I prefer videos that allow freedom of movement and activity, an anything goes nature to the flow of the contest.

I like a few good sized preview pictures, and a fair representative clip if I am going to spend $10 to $20 for a download.

Jay, you stated earlier you would not fake knockouts. I am greatly annoyed that your new key phrase is neck break. Also, it would be great if you didn't always have that out in your back pocket to stop the video whenever things truly got too rough on you.

Otherwise, I always expect some sales puffery and flowery buildup in video sales offering descriptions. I discount those embellishments somewhat in my mind when making a purchase decision, but I don't expect outright lies. Regardless, I don't rationalize my disappointments with price or product as an excuse for past or future piracy.

I don't think Jobber is a reliable source for advice about much of anything in the video business. I recall he had explained recently that still film cameras noisily clattering in the background were still necessary in these days of high definition filming with high speed SD memory cards. His alarmist point of view regarding ones personal appearance in wrestling films contrasts all the points held by those of us with more experience. I personally disallow my personal likeness to be used in advertisements, but from there am comfortable to let the chips fall where they may. I do not intend to run for office though soon however. Anyone else who delves deep enough into the mixed wrestling world to recognize my work may likely consider me their hero.

As I have advised before, the answer to having these new want to be schmoes show up for their wrestling debuts is for them to place a refundable deposit on their credit card. $500 when they want to wrestle that fantasy female that is going to mop the floor with them. Refund the first half of that money if they show up for the match at the appointed place and time. Refund the other half if they actually show the guts to get on the mat with this fantastically more fit and athletic girl who is going to whip their butt.

Finally, I wanted to ask the producers, including Zweig, what to tell a very appropriate girl who wants me to assist her in making some wrestling clips to sell on the internet. My suggestion will be to greatly underprice her work, giving great value to the customer, but for a very good 12 minute video, that I expect to sell for about $4 retail as a download on ClipsforSale. If we expect to sell 100, for example, how many lost sales should we expect to lose to piracy. What will be that real effect for her? Thanks.
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Finally, I wanted to ask the producers, including Zweig, what to tell a very appropriate girl who wants me to assist her in making some wrestling clips to sell on the internet. My suggestion will be to greatly underprice her work, giving great value to the customer, but for a very good 12 minute video, that I expect to sell for about $4 retail as a download on ClipsforSale. If we expect to sell 100, for example, how many lost sales should we expect to lose to piracy. What will be that real effect for her? Thanks.
You'll have to start by finding another sales platform, as the minimum price for a 12-minute vid on clips4sale is $10.99. She can certainly sell her product elsewhere for far less, but I'm sure you already know (and thus it goes without saying) that no one else can get her nearly the traffic that c4s will, and they've been highly successful in protecting that $1/minute price point. In years past, you could tell the system that your 12-minute vid was only 4 minutes long and get the pricing schema for a 4-minute clip. Their current platform auto-detects vid lengths, however.

So, have her make the best clips she can and offer them for sale on c4s.
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your videos would probably sell more if you made the guys wear something skimpier. I noticed most are fully clothed. You should take into consideration that some watch specifically for the guy and fully clothed scenes aren't as attractive
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It is great when a video company sets up a scenario with a fit, beautiful girl who knows enough about wrestling holds to genuinely gain control of her opponent. After sketching out a suggested scenario and basic fair rules, I prefer videos that allow freedom of movement and activity, an anything goes nature to the flow of the contest.

I like a few good sized preview pictures, and a fair representative clip if I am going to spend $10 to $20 for a download.

Jay, you stated earlier you would not fake knockouts. I am greatly annoyed that your new key phrase is neck break. Also, it would be great if you didn't always have that out in your back pocket to stop the video whenever things truly got too rough on you.

Otherwise, I always expect some sales puffery and flowery buildup in video sales offering descriptions. I discount those embellishments somewhat in my mind when making a purchase decision, but I don't expect outright lies. Regardless, I don't rationalize my disappointments with price or product as an excuse for past or future piracy.

I don't think Jobber is a reliable source for advice about much of anything in the video business. I recall he had explained recently that still film cameras noisily clattering in the background were still necessary in these days of high definition filming with high speed SD memory cards. His alarmist point of view regarding ones personal appearance in wrestling films contrasts all the points held by those of us with more experience. I personally disallow my personal likeness to be used in advertisements, but from there am comfortable to let the chips fall where they may. I do not intend to run for office though soon however. Anyone else who delves deep enough into the mixed wrestling world to recognize my work may likely consider me their hero.

As I have advised before, the answer to having these new want to be schmoes show up for their wrestling debuts is for them to place a refundable deposit on their credit card. $500 when they want to wrestle that fantasy female that is going to mop the floor with them. Refund the first half of that money if they show up for the match at the appointed place and time. Refund the other half if they actually show the guts to get on the mat with this fantastically more fit and athletic girl who is going to whip their butt.

Finally, I wanted to ask the producers, including Zweig, what to tell a very appropriate girl who wants me to assist her in making some wrestling clips to sell on the internet. My suggestion will be to greatly underprice her work, giving great value to the customer, but for a very good 12 minute video, that I expect to sell for about $4 retail as a download on ClipsforSale. If we expect to sell 100, for example, how many lost sales should we expect to lose to piracy. What will be that real effect for her? Thanks.
All I have done is give my stated opinion. You can take it or leave it for whatever it is worth. I will put up my knowledge of the female wrestling genre and my videos/photoshoots against anyone. I go back as far as Theo Ehret photographing catfights and Joan Wise ads in the back of wrestling magazines. Am I the best? Far from it. I still have lots to learn. Am I the worst? Far from it. My style may not be everyones cup of tea, but I have solid sales and a small following. And please be accurate when you quote me. I said that digital cameras have a click built in because that is the sound of the shutter and it helps photographers know that the shutter was engaged. Some cameras can turn off the sound, my Canon Rebel cannot. However I don't use it while filming because it can be annoying. As mentioned in many posts, the appearance of the male jobber has been mentioned several times in this thread alone. So I am not sure how "alarmist" I am being. I know lots of fetish models and photographers/producers and I have related some of their experiences.

As KillerCrushes stated, clips4sale won't sell your 12 minute clips for $4.99. You could try kinkbomb or some of those other clips stores, but they do not have the large following that c4s has. Having your own website you can set your own price but the headaches of running your own site and trying to drive traffic there is sometimes not worth it.

Finally, please show me a list of your "work" so that I may too consider you a "hero".

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