Jobbers can fight?

[AOmega]

So I was thinking after watching some older vids, about fighters (male and female) who tend to job a lot in non-competitive films but are, in fact, quite skilled and generally dominant in fully competitive matches (or at least seem to be)
I prefer fully competitive action, so its quite contrasting when a wrestler goes completely the other way in scripted/non-comp action.

I've thought of a few, feel free to correct/discuss if you have more extensive knowledge.

Frankie Zappitelli
Always seems to be taking a beating from other women but I found a few old videos lurking about that appear to be competitive. Maybe its her overall size but she does seem able to impose herself on both men and women.

Mutiny
I may be wrong about this one but I get the impression she actually knows a lot of moves and how to properly apply them.

Jasmine Chou (Academy)
Only does F/F fights but this is a lady who seemed to win...if she wants to. Only got steamrollered by physically larger women.

[matman55]

A lot of the male jobbers are quite strong. Cameron Matthews overpowered me easily despite jobbing to tiny girls in MWZ vids and Steve from Athena is built like a tank

[furrygrappler the second]

The word "job" carries the implication that the jobber is losing on purpose.

[wrestler123]

A good jobber is actually just as good or sometimes technically better than the opponent. A jobber has to make the opponent look as good as possible while maintaining a safe match. You are more likely to get hurt by a novice who swings unpredictably out of fear and panic.

[NewYork]

Kid Dynamite had a match with Ariel X where he clearly could have won. It shocked me. (and I was pissed bc it ruined all the vids where he lost bc I didn't know how good he was)

But this isn't really surprising...95% of all guys who lose to girls in these vids could win.

[ricky-8-]

Originally Posted by NewYork [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

But this isn't really surprising...95% of all guys who lose to girls in these vids could win.

I couldn't agree more.

[LicensetoKill]

Originally Posted by NewYork [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

Kid Dynamite had a match with Ariel X where he clearly could have won. It shocked me. (and I was pissed bc it ruined all the vids where he lost bc I didn't know how good he was)

But this isn't really surprising...95% of all guys who lose to girls in these vids could win.

Clay being the exception. That's one reason I like his videos. He seems to actually be losing. That's not to say he'd lose to all the women, but he would lose to a lot of women he wrestles even if he tried.

[stymie]

Originally Posted by NewYork [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

Kid Dynamite had a match with Ariel X where he clearly could have won. It shocked me. (and I was pissed bc it ruined all the vids where he lost bc I didn't know how good he was)

Well I never saw a video of his where he was wrestling seriously so his videos were never anything but ruinous to me, lol. He's usually more interested in play-acting and making loud, vomit-like noises/talking incessantly...I guess he appeals to the pro-wrestling crowd...I WAS surprised at his mixed wrestling zone video with Frankie Z, although it was obvious he wasn't trying very hard, he was quiet and let Frankie be the star of the "action", such as it was....

[marcopolo]

Years ago I watched Lee Price beat Ziggy in a the real match.

Then Lee becomes a jobber to many other girls she could have easily beaten...go figure

[galaxy advisory]

Some producers want 'kayfabe' (temporary suspension of disbelief), others want hardcore, and there's a whole spectrum in between. In the many times I jobbed over the years, I "played the part" 95% of the time.

The only times I really tried to fight back without using martial arts (I hold belts in 3 styles, my highest being 3rd Dan in Kempo) was once with Lee Price (I got 2 submissions, she got like 10 or 12!), Kasie Cavanaugh (she got maybe a dozen submissions, I got none, though I did manage to break her notorious figure-four), and Laura Vukov, maybe about 7 or 8 others.

When I was with Mass Muscle, Ed would sometimes ask me to fight back more than other times, not often, just enough to make it look real. When I was a partner with Drew, I found that he is not only a strong and solid fireplug of a man, but he had been a skilled collegiate wrestler.

We do what we do a) to please our customers' demands, which arguably can be all over the map, just read a few threads here at MvsF and diverse preferences become obvious; and b) to satisfy our own fantasies while making a few bucks at it. I prefer fantasy and domination to competitive wrestling. So "that's what ah do."