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Say I bought a mcdonald big mac, gave 100$ and tell the cashier to keep the change. Now, many people are doing the same, and mcdonald raises price of big mac to 100$ each.

What do you think of this?
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Say I bought a mcdonald big mac, gave 100$ and tell the cashier to keep the change. Now, many people are doing the same, and mcdonald raises price of big mac to 100$ each.

What do you think of this?

Clearly this is referring to some real world situation and not McDonald. But what? Is something like this going on in the world of session wrestling? If so, I haven't personally noticed or even heard of it.
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Say I bought a mcdonald big mac, gave 100$ and tell the cashier to keep the change. Now, many people are doing the same, and mcdonald raises price of big mac to 100$ each.

What do you think of this?
If the company raises the price so dramatically, it's likely the market will respond just as dramatically.

When the market responds, the company will have to adjust the pricing again.
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If the company raises the price so dramatically, it's likely the market will respond just as dramatically.

When the market responds, the company will have to adjust the pricing again.
That's right and what logical people would think.
Yet the market responded by having all the restaurants charge 100$ for burgers instead.

Pretty sure some people got my point by now. The market for fetish used to be 100$/hr, but instead of clients tried to readjust the price, they gave in, and price went up and up. So instead of the market responding by re-adjust price, the price now is just too high and people think it is worthy, due to customers having no idea of how much sessions cost.

Here is a video of someone about paying 100$ for one feet-picture.
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You can get a model to do 20 feet photos for 10$.

I know people would say "Well I pay that much and I think it is ok, because she is blahblahblah."
but all I hear is "I paid 100$ for a big mac, tell them to keep the changes because I just love big macs."
They might think they sound like big spenders, but all they look like to me is newb who don't know what things cost and become scam targets.

Watch the video to see how a girl thinks when you offer that much money for one feet photo, she thinks you are an idiot and she will make up lies about being a professional, to squeeze every cent you have. Just like how people claim they have 10 years of bjj experience, 15 years of dominatrix experience, etc etc, just to squeeze every cent you have.

By no mean am I bashing on wrestlers who want to overcharge for session, they see opportunities and they seized them. I actually think they are pretty smart, like that foot fetish girl in the video. What I am saying is customers should do more researches instead of forking over 6 times the usual price and think it is normal.

When you get scammed for paying 700$ for a session, you are not a big spender, you just got scammed.

I just had a session, 20$/hour, she thanked me, and asked me when I will need her again.
Just have to know where to look.

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That's right and what logical people would think.
Yet the market responded by having all the restaurants charge 100$ for burgers instead.

Pretty sure some people got my point by now. The market for fetish used to be 100$/hr, but instead of clients tried to readjust the price, they gave in, and price went up and up. So instead of the market responding by re-adjust price, the price now is just too high and people think it is worthy, due to customers having no idea of how much sessions cost.

Here is a video of someone about paying 100$ for one feet-picture.
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You can get a model to do 20 feet photos for 10$.

I know people would say "Well I pay that much and I think it is ok, because she is blahblahblah."
but all I hear is "I paid 100$ for a big mac, tell them to keep the changes because I just love big macs."
They might think they sound like big spenders, but all they look like to me is newb who don't know what things cost and become scam targets for people. Watch the video to see how a girl think when you offer that much money for one feet photo, she thinks you are an idiot and she will make up lies(eg.how professional she is) to squeeze every cent you have.

When you get scammed for paying 700$ for a session, you are not a big spender, you just got scammed.

I just had a session, 20$/hour, and she asked me when she can do it again.
In the fetish industry, the consumer decides what they will pay for a product they want. We are not talking about food or water or shelter. With regard to sessions, we're talking about a premium service that costs a premium price. For most of the developed world, a fast-food burger is not a premium product.

Many people who like brand-new, luxury sports cars or like the thought of owning a brand-new, luxury sports car are not in the market for a brand-new, luxury sports car. It's a premium product and is priced accordingly.

If someone pays $1000 for something they want and they get that thing, then they haven't been "scammed", even if YOU would only have paid $500 for the same thing.

If, however, someone pays $1000 for something they want, but only get half of it, then yes, they have been scammed.

I choose to wear cheap running shoes, because I would rather have more money available to spend on steak. Though no pun is intended, your mileage may vary.
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In the fetish industry, the consumer decides what they will pay for a product they want. We are not talking about food or water or shelter. With regard to sessions, we're talking about a premium service that costs a premium price. For most of the developed world, a fast-food burger is not a premium product.

Many people who like brand-new, luxury sports cars or like the thought of owning a brand-new, luxury sports car are not in the market for a brand-new, luxury sports car. It's a premium product and is priced accordingly.

If someone pays $1000 for something they want and they get that thing, then they haven't been "scammed", even if YOU would only have paid $500 for the same thing.

If, however, someone pays $1000 for something they want, but only get half of it, then yes, they have been scammed.

I choose to wear cheap running shoes, because I would rather have more money available to spend on steak. Though no pun is intended, your mileage may vary.
No one gets scammed KNOWING that he/she is getting scammed.

so let's use your example:
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If someone pays $1000 for something they want and they get that thing, then they haven't been "scammed", even if YOU would only have paid $500 for the same thing.

If, however, someone pays $1000 for something they want, but only get half of it, then yes, they have been scammed.
EXCEPT that someone pays $1000 for something they want and they get that thing, they are "scammed" because they SHOULD HAVE gotten 2x of that thing. So yes, you are getting only half of what you SHOULD be getting.

I know that you are arguing about consent, you are saying if you agree to pay 1000$ for that something, then it automatically becomes the "right" price. You define scam as "a breach of contract", so if everything in the contract is right, then it is impossible for it to be a scam.

However, a scam is not JUST that. Take a look at pyramid scams, they promise you money every time you get 100 people into this scam. While they still pay you money and right to their promise, in the end, there will be 99% people not getting any money.

That means, the contract itself is a scam, not JUST the breach of contract.

Lottery is a form of scam, that's why you cannot run lottery, only governments can.
In order to win a lottery(a typical one that you choose 6 numbers out of 49 numbers), you would need to play lottery EVERYDAY for 4000 years in order for you to win 1 time. To put in perspective, if you live 100 years, that means in 40 life times, you would win once.

Here is the punchline: if you indeed pay 4000 years worth of money, you would have already paid more than any jackpot.

And here is why it is a scam, because buyers either don't believe or don't want to believe how low of a chance they have per ticket. None of them understands what probability means.

If you buy lottery, you are ALREADY scammed. The lottery service doesn't have to only give you 50% of winning (when you do win), in order for it to be a scam.

Same concept with slot machines in casino, making money based on customers not knowing the probability. Customers are basically paying 1$ into a machine that gives you 1 penny back.

Concept is the same with fetish sessions, you get horny, you are not thinking straight.

You find a wrestler/dominatrix/mistress, you ask for a session, she doesn't give you the price until she hears what the session will be about.

You describe a fantasy you want to fulfill, the wrestler tells you everything you want to hear.

You want a bbj wrestler, she lies to you that she has 10 years experience and she adds 100$ onto the fee.

You say you want her to dress a certain way, you show her a picture of the outfit. She tells you she has that outfit. She finds a similar outfit on ebay/amazon, then add that outfit cost x2 to your session fee.

You say you like women's smelly feet, you found that most women don't have smelly feet, so she tells you she has very smelly feet, and add 100$ to your session fee. Then just before the session, she puts on her husband's smelly socks for the session.

You say you want her to travel, she says she can come to you. And she takes the travel fee(about 20$) and charge you 150$ for travel fee + the travel time(which she counts as session time) 100$

You think she is perfect and you are not thinking straight, and you pay her 600$ session fee when you could have gotten another woman(who also don't have any experience, don't have outfit, etc) for 100$-200$

Remember, no one who is scammed knows that they were being scammed until truth is revealed. You pay 1000$ for all your sessions all your life, and then on your dead bed, you realized you could've paid 100$ for it, YES you got scammed all your life.

If I buy a big mac for 2$ and I sell it to you for 1000$, even if you are willing, you are still scammed. I don't have to give you a half eaten big mac for it to be a scam.

Here is another thought experiment.

If you find a wrestler that you like who is charging you 1000$ per hour. You are ok with it and in fact, you are happy to pay that amount. However, you don't have the money, so you want to wait for your next paycheck before committing.

Before you get your next paycheck, you find another wrestler who is the same in every aspect of that previous wrestler, but she is only asking for 100$ per hour. And you would also love to pay that amount for the session.

Now that you have your paycheck, who do you go to?

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If you're going to brag about having $20/hr sessions, you should atleast have the decency to tell us how you are getting these sessions. Saying "you just have to know where to look" is not a good answer, nor is beating around the bush.

You did this before in another thread, and @[Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register] called you out for it.

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Nobody's going to search through your posts and try to see what you contributed. Your post comes across as bragging and probably lying and you didn't contribute shit. I tried to be polite about it, but you post is either lies or you post badly. Saying "I contributed already" doesn't make your garbage post above any less of a garbage post.

I'm sure you'll answer me with more colorful spin, but all I'm asking is that you either share details or don't post nonsense about 80 dollar sessions. You shouldn't need to have this explained to you.
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You shouldn't post stuff like this. I used to wrestle for free - the trick was, the ladies got to sell the videos. Now that I'm a little older and I've put on some weight, that doesn't work out as often.

Either give helpful and/or relevant suggestions or don't post. No session wrestler would negotiate down to those prices unless you do something like fix their computer or set up a website for them.

There was a funny line I read in a wrestling newsletter years ago, pre internet. The guy wrote something like, sure a husband can get a wrestle from his wife, but if anybody thinks matrimony is free, I'd offer to sell them the Brooklyn Bridge.

I have, on occasion, made friends with session wrestlers and gotten cheaper sessions in exchange for going out to dinner or giving massages after getting to know them, but in my case, expenses wound up creeping in. The average per hour might have been down but the cost was high. One had a fondness for expensive restaurants. Another needed help with her rent a few months after us being friends. I don't want to sound like I'm trashing the ladies. I think both were straight up. But the cheap-session aspect didn't last in my case. It was fun for a while though and good memories, but still expensive.
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If you're going to brag about having $20/hr sessions, you should atleast have the decency to tell us how you are getting these sessions. Saying "you just have to know where to look" is not a good answer, nor is beating around the bush.

You did this before in another thread, and @[Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register] called you out for it.
Read the thread, this has nothing to do with me bragging about 20$/hour, I only mentioned it to illustrate a point.(that it is possible to get lower price in session)

The entire thread is about the rise in session cost, and I provided a reason why this is the case: The customers being ignorant

Also, I don't have a responsibility to reveal how I get 20$/hour session. This thread is not about this, why would I talk about how I got it???

In case you don't read, This thread is about how illogical people are when paying for session, getting scammed

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Here is another thought experiment.

If you find a wrestler that you like who is charging you 1000$ per hour. You are ok with it and in fact, you are happy to pay that amount. However, you don't have the money, so you want to wait for your next paycheck before committing.

Before you get your next paycheck, you find another wrestler who is the same in every aspect of that previous wrestler, but she is only asking for 100$ per hour. And you would also love to pay that amount for the session.

Now that you have your paycheck, who do you go to?



Read the thread, this has nothing to do with me bragging about 20$/hour, I only mentioned it to illustrate a point.

The entire thread is about the rise in session cost, and I provided a reason why this is the case: The customers being ignorant

Also, I don't have a responsibility to reveal how I get 20$/hour session. This thread is not about this, why would I talk about how I got it???

In case you don't read, This thread is about how illogical people are when paying for session, getting scams.
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Displays irritability when asked specifics: Check

Demonstrates a smug attitude and consistently talks about the possibilities of getting $100-$200 sessions while intentionally being vague: Check

What's illogical is that you're pussy footing around.

You saying you don't have the responsibility to talk about these $20/hr sessions just proves to me that you're lying and a bull shitter.

That or perhaps you're recruiting less fortunate women off the streets and having them spend time with you as part of your "sessions"
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