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Thanks for the reply. Eastern Europe is one of my favorite historical subjects to read about.
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I saw in a documentary some years ago that North Koreans on average are like 2 or 3 inches shorter than South Koreans because of inadequate food supply. That's a visible difference in just over a half century.
Not only that but their athleticism seems to be diminishing rapidly as well!!

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Their records are piss poor and not only that, they are mostly from around 1990 so they can't even beat their own old records these days, indicating that they're even worse now!

There should be no excuses about them not being into sports because it's exactly the opposite! They have a sporting culture!

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Most schools have daily practice in association football, basketball, table tennis, gymnastics, boxing and others.

And everyone obviously knows about Rodman going there to help them with basketball.

Now let's see how they compare to women in athletics (can't find their records for swimming)...

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Women have them beat at:

100m, 400m, 3000m, half marathon, 3000m steeplechase, 400m hurdles, pole vault, 4x100m, 4x400m, 3000m indoor, 60m hurdles indoor, triple jump indoor

North Koreans have better times at:

200m, 800m, 5000m, 10000m, marathon, high jump, long jump, triple jump, 60m indoor

12:9 for women! LOL this is extremely embarrassing!

The biggest and the most aggressive loudmouths in the world getting their best athletic times destroyed by women.

Also like I said, those records are old, they can't even beat their old times these days! We'd need to check how their athletes perform these days to see if there are women from nations their size (around 25 million people) that can beat them more often than not. Ukrainian or German women would be a good comparison, we haven't had a comparison with them yet here.

The way their athleticism is diminishing it's only going to get worse and worse for North Korean men while European women are getting stronger and better. Maybe if the North Korean regime is still around in 2100 the Western powers will send a bunch of European girls from primary school to crush it. The men will totally shrink in size and strength by then!

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So I was looking for Asian athletics events results to see if I could find some North Korean performances. I didn't find anything yet but looking at the 2017 Asian Athletics Championships that took place this summer it looks like Afghanistan has a new up and coming sprinter [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register].

He ran 100m in 11.56 seconds there.

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The good thing for him is that there aren't any athletic European women on Asian championship to beat his time on the same sport event, no big bad Russian amazons... Oh wait! There are actually a lot of Russian people in Kazakhstan which competes on Asian tournaments!

I looked at the women's 100m sprinting times and his time got beaten by [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register] and [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register] from Kazakhstan who finished 1st and 2nd in women's final, with 11.39 and 11.45!

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Their names sound Russian and they look Russian too so I assume they're part of the 3 million strong Russian ethnic minority in Kazakhstan. They both come from the city of Almaty which has a big Russian and Ukrainian ethnic presence due to relocation of workers and industries from European areas of the Soviet Union during World War II.

Here is their victorious run:



Olga also beat Zahiri's time at the 2016 Olympics where he ran 11.56 while she ran 11.50!

His Olympic 11.56 time is also his best performance while her best time is 11.09!

He is clearly no match for this good looking athletic lady!





I won't even compare him to women sprinters on the Olympics because he wouldn't even advance out of round one of women's event!

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Lets summerize:

Al89 takes some third world countries, which have failed states, no proper federations and often suffered from years of civil war, with no culture or knowledge in track and fields.
He compares them to some of the most successful countries and with the longest tradition in these sports.

Moreover he cannot explain why, afghanistan, despite having no football federation or national team for 20 years still manages to produce players that are widely superior to the female american players, supported by the best organisation, federation, professional championship, universities, huge funding programms, and an amazing basis of 2.6 millions amateur female players.


I will proceed the following way to expose the non-scientific method used by Al89, biased by his fetish. (which is actually also mine.)

Lets forget about the problem of taking records which are exceptional events, in the tail of the gaussian distribution, making huge statistical errors and not representative of the whole population.

Lets consider now Pakistan.

Pakistan is considered as a very weak sports country since they achieved no medal in the last olympic games. They have however a big population of 190 millions and an organized state.

As you can see on the map Pakistan is situated between Afghanistan and the Nepal.
Two countries considered by AL89 constituted by men "naturally physically inferior" to european or american women...
I wouldn t expect here to have a local maximum of the genetic quality here but may be AL89 can prove me wrong since he always finds excuses:

On the other side i would just take the USA. I don t need to present them since they are by far the strongest olympic nation with the best sports organization, money, and a large population of 323 millions, much more than Pakistan.

let us have a look at their respective female and male records:
i don t take into account hand mesured results or not ratified ones (they are often fakes)


MALE Pakistan vs FEMALE USA:


100m: Pakistan: 10.42 USA: 10.49 (world record) Pakistan wins
200m: Pakistan: 20.92 USA: 21.34 (world record) Pakistan wins
400m: Pakistan: 46.75 USA: 48.70 Pakistan wins
800m: Pakistan: 1.48.10 USA: 1.56.40 Pakistan wins
1500m: Pakistan: 3.41.4 USA: 3.56.29 Pakistan wins
3000m: Pakistan: 8.5.65 USA: 8.25.83 Pakistan wins
5000m: Pakistan: 14.08.4 USA: 14.38.92 Pakistan wins
400m (h): Pakistan: 49.90 USA: 52.47 Pakistan wins
High jump: Pakistan: 2.06 USA: 2.05 Pakistan wins
Pole Vault: Pakistan: 4.91 USA: 5.00 USA wins
Triple Jump: Pakistan: 16.45 USA: 14.71 Pakistan wins
4x100m: Pakistan: 40.24 USA: 40.82 (world record) Pakistan wins
4x400m: Pakistan: 3.07.03 USA: 3.15.61 Pakistan wins
Long jump: Pakistan: 7.79 USA: 7.49 Pakistan wins

Victory of MALE Pakistan 13-1

lets do the same with the russian women (population of russia around 143 million, little less than Pakistan), which are, according to AL89 naturally superior to these weak humiliated bla bla men:

MALE Pakistan vs FEMALE RUSSIA:


100m: Pakistan: 10.42 USA: 10.77 Pakistan wins
200m: Pakistan: 20.92 USA: 21.87 Pakistan wins
400m: Pakistan: 46.75 USA: 49.11 Pakistan wins
800m: Pakistan: 1.48.10 USA: 1.54.81 Pakistan wins
1500m: Pakistan: 3.41.4 USA: 3.52.47 Pakistan wins
3000m: Pakistan: 8.5.65 USA: 8.22.62 Pakistan wins
5000m: Pakistan: 14.08.4 USA: 14.23.75 Pakistan wins
400m (h): Pakistan: 49.90 USA: 52.34 (world record) Pakistan wins
High jump: Pakistan: 2.06 USA: 2.07 Russia wins
Pole Vault: Pakistan: 4.91 USA: 5.06 Russia wins
Triple Jump: Pakistan: 16.45 USA: 15.34 Pakistan wins
4x100m: Pakistan: 40.24 USA: 41.49 Pakistan wins
4x400m: Pakistan: 3.07.03 USA: 3.18.38 Pakistan wins
Long jump: Pakistan: 7.79 USA: 7.52 (world record) Pakistan wins


Victory of MALE Pakistan 12-2

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A group of average Yemeni men:
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Look at how small and skinny they are!

I find it perfectly believable that Czech women would be more athletic as [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register] suggests.

The average height difference between the two groups is also huge.

These Czech women in particular would just tower over them:
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It's a little hard to wrap my head around an ethnic group/nation of men whose (out of several million) average height is only 5'2".

Prince Naseem was only a little Featherweight but had he lived amongst Yemeni men he would have been regarded as above average size and probably an alpha stud to look at in his prime.

Here in the UK, it's quite ethnically diverse with a lot of people from Eastern Europe as well as Asia and the Middle East. Walking through most towns and cities, you never have to look too far before seeing a scrawny little man who is dwarfed by a tall, well-built woman. For me, it conjures the thoughts that in a physical altercation, she could do whatever she wanted with him. In many cases the tiny man probably wouldn't, with all his meagre might, even be able to hurt a 6ft amazon with her much more robust build. It would be like an adult vs. a child.

This thread has really taken off with a lot of discussion that's been hard to keep up with. It clearly hasn't been pleasant reading for some who've desperately tried to make vague and sometimes inaccurate excuses but ultimately facts are facts. These men have been outperformed by women whether we like it or not.

Imagine being the Father of these athletes, with their closed minded views on gender roles and seeing/learning that their precious son is less physically capable than many women from different cultures and ethnic groups. Imagine learning that someone like Alenka Bikar with her high cut shorts and more powerful physique puts your son/brother/friend to shame while showing off and flaunting her hot body and sexuality.
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LMAO so you're now actually taking pride that Pakistan a nation of 210 million can beat some (not all!) of the female records of USA and Russia! LOL you should send this to the Pakistani government, maybe they will build a statue commemorating that they BARELY beat those female records.

If anything, it's embarrassing that they still got beaten at some events!

Anna Chicherova proved her athletic superiority over the entire male population of Pakistan when she jumped higher than anyone of them! Same goes for Yelena Isinbayeva!

They were also beaten by the American girl [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]!

However I took a deeper look into the records of both and I noticed that things are actually a bit different than you present them.

You are MANIPULATING with the results!!

You conveniently ignored the 10000m and 20km walk results where the American women Molly Huddle and Maria Michta beat them!

Russian women also have them beat there. Elmira Alembekova and Alla Zhilyaeva have superior results in those events!

So it's two more for the girls.

You also ignored the indoor records where Russian women also beat them several times. Russian women have superior records at the 200m, 1500m, 3000m, 60m hurdles, pole vault, long jump and high jump indoor athletics events!

Irina Privalova, Yelena Soboleva, Liliya Shobukhova, Lyudmila Narozhilenko, Yelena Isinbayeva, Galina Chistyakova and Anna Chicherova have them beat there.

So Russian women actually beat the Pakistani records at 11 different events not 2 as you suggested!!!

Also, where are the swimming comparisons? You also "forgot" those because Russian women beat the Pakistani men there 35:4!!!

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Especially Yulia Efimova really did a number of them, her times are VASTLY SUPERIOR than theirs! She totally humbles the Pakistani men with her times!



You desperately tried to find something to downplay the achievements of Russian women but it BACKFIRED!

So the overall score is actually:

Pakistani men : Russian women 19 : 46 (events), 1 : 1 (sports)



Overall when comparing all the records available Russian women have proven to be simply too much for the Pakistani men! They capitulated in front of the athletic amazons like Yulia Efimova (on the picture) who completely crushes their records. If they ever tried to compete with her side by side they would be HUMBLED big time. It would be a big lesson in humility for their entire 210 million strong nation.

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wow @[Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register] you just don't get it. So butthurt and desperate to put women down, aren't you?

I guess you're one of those guys that likes to think of your fetish as "fantasy only" and when reality hits that in many cases, women actually can beat men, you just can't handle it.

The truth is there is huge disparity and it's all about individuals. Some women are athletically superior to a lot of men, that is clear and has been for a long time for those able to face the truth.

No one disputes that under different circumstances, some of these countries wouldn't have done better, but the fact is they haven't. Despite being men, despite extra testosterone, despite their dedication, they still cannot beat women who have proven themselves to be athletically superior individuals.
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LMAO so you're now actually taking pride that Pakistan a nation of 210 million can beat some (not all!) of the female records of USA and Russia! LOL you should send this to the Pakistani government, maybe they will build a statue commemorating that they BARELY beat those female records.

If anything, it's embarrassing that they still got beaten at some events!

Anna Chicherova proved her athletic superiority over the entire male population of Pakistan when she jumped higher than anyone of them! Same goes for Yelena Isinbayeva!

They were also beaten by the American girl [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]!

However I took a deeper look into the records of both and I noticed that things are actually a bit different than you present them.

You are MANIPULATING with the results!!

You conveniently ignored the 10000m and 20km walk results where the American women Molly Huddle and Maria Michta beat them!

Russian women also have them beat there. Elmira Alembekova and Alla Zhilyaeva have superior results in those events!

So it's two more for the girls.

You also ignored the indoor records where Russian women also beat them several times. Russian women have superior records at the 200m, 1500m, 3000m, 60m hurdles, pole vault, long jump and high jump indoor athletics events!

Irina Privalova, Yelena Soboleva, Liliya Shobukhova, Lyudmila Narozhilenko, Yelena Isinbayeva, Galina Chistyakova and Anna Chicherova have them beat there.

So Russian women actually beat the Pakistani records at 11 different events not 2 as you suggested!!!

Also, where are the swimming comparisons? You also "forgot" those because Russian women beat the Pakistani men there 35:4!!!

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Especially Yulia Efimova really did a number of them, her times are VASTLY SUPERIOR than theirs! She totally humbles the Pakistani men with her times!



You desperately tried to find something to downplay the achievements of Russian women but it BACKFIRED!

So the overall score is actually:

Pakistani men : Russian women 19 : 46 (events), 1 : 1 (sports)



Overall when comparing all the records available Russian women have proven to be simply too much for the Pakistani men! They capitulated in front of the athletic amazons like Yulia Efimova (on the picture) who completely crushes their records. If they ever tried to compete with her side by side they would be HUMBLED big time. It would be a big lesson in humility for their entire 210 million strong nation.

oh i give up...
i tried to show the effect of training and of the developpement stage of the country over the results but you don´t care.
funny to read i manipulate the informations when you show two pictures of stadiums and you claim a whole country is deep into sport

i didn t put indoor results because they are no olympic discipline.
and didn t put walk because i didn t even know this was a sport. probably the pakistani never hear of that...


about manipulation i also didn t put that pakistani men throw a heavier javeline further than US women
they also win in 3000m steeple
they also win in marathon


For your information, there is no shame at loosing to someone better prepared and trained.

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wow @[Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register] you just don't get it. So butthurt and desperate to put women down, aren't you?

I guess you're one of those guys that likes to think of your fetish as "fantasy only" and when reality hits that in many cases, women actually can beat men, you just can't handle it.

The truth is there is huge disparity and it's all about individuals. Some women are athletically superior to a lot of men, that is clear and has been for a long time for those able to face the truth.

No one disputes that under different circumstances, some of these countries wouldn't have done better, but the fact is they haven't. Despite being men, despite extra testosterone, despite their dedication, they still cannot beat women who have proven themselves to be athletically superior individuals.
you might didn t get the point.
yes afghans have poor results in track and fields. this is a fact.
i just argued that it was due to the situation of their country but AL89 said it doesn t play a role.
my aim was to show with the neighbouring country that he is wrong

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LMAO so you're now actually taking pride that Pakistan a nation of 210 million can beat some (not all!) of the female records of USA and Russia! LOL you should send this to the Pakistani government, maybe they will build a statue commemorating that they BARELY beat those female records.

If anything, it's embarrassing that they still got beaten at some events!

Anna Chicherova proved her athletic superiority over the entire male population of Pakistan when she jumped higher than anyone of them! Same goes for Yelena Isinbayeva!

They were also beaten by the American girl [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]!

However I took a deeper look into the records of both and I noticed that things are actually a bit different than you present them.

You are MANIPULATING with the results!!

You conveniently ignored the 10000m and 20km walk results where the American women Molly Huddle and Maria Michta beat them!

Russian women also have them beat there. Elmira Alembekova and Alla Zhilyaeva have superior results in those events!

So it's two more for the girls.

You also ignored the indoor records where Russian women also beat them several times. Russian women have superior records at the 200m, 1500m, 3000m, 60m hurdles, pole vault, long jump and high jump indoor athletics events!

Irina Privalova, Yelena Soboleva, Liliya Shobukhova, Lyudmila Narozhilenko, Yelena Isinbayeva, Galina Chistyakova and Anna Chicherova have them beat there.

So Russian women actually beat the Pakistani records at 11 different events not 2 as you suggested!!!

Also, where are the swimming comparisons? You also "forgot" those because Russian women beat the Pakistani men there 35:4!!!

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Especially Yulia Efimova really did a number of them, her times are VASTLY SUPERIOR than theirs! She totally humbles the Pakistani men with her times!



You desperately tried to find something to downplay the achievements of Russian women but it BACKFIRED!

So the overall score is actually:

Pakistani men : Russian women 19 : 46 (events), 1 : 1 (sports)



Overall when comparing all the records available Russian women have proven to be simply too much for the Pakistani men! They capitulated in front of the athletic amazons like Yulia Efimova (on the picture) who completely crushes their records. If they ever tried to compete with her side by side they would be HUMBLED big time. It would be a big lesson in humility for their entire 210 million strong nation.
ok, I can't comment on everything you say, but I agree with the rest of the people in here. You are seeing what you want to see. As much as I like the thought of someone being especially superior it is simply not the case. I did hear that the fastest sprinters seems to be descendents from a specific tribe in Africa, but I never checked up on that fact.

It IS a cultural thing, as humans in the long run are pretty much equal in athleticism. There is a reason that you all of a sudden see countries popping up in various sports where they prior had no chance against the other teams.
That is why, if you look at a 50 year span, that no country has been on top of a specific sport the entire time.
They get better because they create a culture for their sport, by hirering good coaches, investing in good facilities, making the sport interesting to kids and so on. Also, as an example, we here in Denmark saw, that the women's soccer team all of a sudden performed really good at the european cup. They managed to get a second place and experts were thrilled, because they were certain it meant, that many girls would now want to try soccer, and by that they would be able to find more talents! There is a saying when it comes to professional athletes. It takes 10 procent talent and 9 procent hard work. That hard work has to be supported by the society.

There are few people who are considered superhuman, they have physical advantage by having more blood in their body and being able obtain oxygen in their blood. I tried looking for an English translation of this article about a danish girl Anna Møller, but couldn't find it. They even did a short documentary on her. In the article they scientifically go through, why she is superior

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She was spotted at age 16, when she had participated in a 10k school run. Some experts noticed her running time and concluded there must have been some kind of mistake. They checked up on it and found out it was not a mistake. So they took her in for some tests and were amazed at how she performed in various exercises. 3 years later she has shattered several records and was in the olympics.

She has a physical fitness rating on 73, which is higher than the world marathon champion Paula Radcliffe, whos fitness rating is 70. The end conclusion to the tests they made was, that she is a physical genius.

But this case above could might as well happen in Afghanistan
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I'm not sure @[Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register] has a problem with being beat by women. I know I'm open to that. I think women are just like normal people.

But honestly, I think it's just weird to argue that one 'race' is better than another 'race'. I think it's also not necessary to take joy in humiliation of billions of people (in fact, I think it would be nice if humiliation were confined to only those who consent to it). And I think it would be nice if poor statistics was recognized as such.

But then again, slavic women eugenics is not my fetish.
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