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Old 09-Apr-18, 14:59
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Default Jobbers can fight?

So I was thinking after watching some older vids, about fighters (male and female) who tend to job a lot in non-competitive films but are, in fact, quite skilled and generally dominant in fully competitive matches (or at least seem to be)
I prefer fully competitive action, so its quite contrasting when a wrestler goes completely the other way in scripted/non-comp action.

I've thought of a few, feel free to correct/discuss if you have more extensive knowledge.

Frankie Zappitelli
Always seems to be taking a beating from other women but I found a few old videos lurking about that appear to be competitive. Maybe its her overall size but she does seem able to impose herself on both men and women.

Mutiny
I may be wrong about this one but I get the impression she actually knows a lot of moves and how to properly apply them.

Jasmine Chou (Academy)
Only does F/F fights but this is a lady who seemed to win...if she wants to. Only got steamrollered by physically larger women.
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Old 10-Apr-18, 11:49
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Default Re: Jobbers can fight?

A lot of the male jobbers are quite strong. Cameron Matthews overpowered me easily despite jobbing to tiny girls in MWZ vids and Steve from Athena is built like a tank
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Old 10-Apr-18, 12:17
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Default Re: Jobbers can fight?

The word "job" carries the implication that the jobber is losing on purpose.
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Old 10-Apr-18, 13:56
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Default Re: Jobbers can fight?

A good jobber is actually just as good or sometimes technically better than the opponent. A jobber has to make the opponent look as good as possible while maintaining a safe match. You are more likely to get hurt by a novice who swings unpredictably out of fear and panic.
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Old 10-Apr-18, 14:33
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Default Re: Jobbers can fight?

Kid Dynamite had a match with Ariel X where he clearly could have won. It shocked me. (and I was pissed bc it ruined all the vids where he lost bc I didn't know how good he was)

But this isn't really surprising...95% of all guys who lose to girls in these vids could win.
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Old 10-Apr-18, 16:03
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But this isn't really surprising...95% of all guys who lose to girls in these vids could win.
I couldn't agree more.
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Old 10-Apr-18, 19:06
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Default Re: Jobbers can fight?

Years ago I watched Lee Price beat Ziggy in a the real match.

Then Lee becomes a jobber to many other girls she could have easily beaten...go figure
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Old 10-Apr-18, 21:26
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Default Re: Jobbers can fight?

Some producers want 'kayfabe' (temporary suspension of disbelief), others want hardcore, and there's a whole spectrum in between. In the many times I jobbed over the years, I "played the part" 95% of the time.

The only times I really tried to fight back without using martial arts (I hold belts in 3 styles, my highest being 3rd Dan in Kempo) was once with Lee Price (I got 2 submissions, she got like 10 or 12!), Kasie Cavanaugh (she got maybe a dozen submissions, I got none, though I did manage to break her notorious figure-four), and Laura Vukov, maybe about 7 or 8 others.

When I was with Mass Muscle, Ed would sometimes ask me to fight back more than other times, not often, just enough to make it look real. When I was a partner with Drew, I found that he is not only a strong and solid fireplug of a man, but he had been a skilled collegiate wrestler.

We do what we do a) to please our customers' demands, which arguably can be all over the map, just read a few threads here at MvsF and diverse preferences become obvious; and b) to satisfy our own fantasies while making a few bucks at it. I prefer fantasy and domination to competitive wrestling. So "that's what ah do."
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When I was a partner with Drew, I found that he is not only a strong and solid fireplug of a man, but he had been a skilled collegiate wrestler.
I remember Drew writing about a competitive match he had with Helen Von Mott. He said he avoided going to the ground with her, aware of her abilities there, so it wound up a stalemate. I think it's safe to say that match was either not recorded or was never released.
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Default Re: Jobbers can fight?

Yeah, being a professional jobber requires skill, that's not a surprise. When I look at videos of my sessions I'm not convincing enough to be a full-time jobber in a lot of them even though I'm really losing.
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