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Old 05-Mar-16, 20:16
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Default Re: CFNM or CFNF Wrestling

In the next few days I will concentrate on several heavyweights on my Top Fetish Wrestlers of All Time list.

First up is Severa, who climbed from No. 3 to No. 2 just behind Helen Von Mott.

I really do not think there are any videos out there of Severa doing any competitive wrestling. She is purely a fetish performer who often takes on men and women much smaller than her as part of the contrast/comparison fetish kink.

Still, Severa is skilled at Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and is tall, strong and muscular – and is adept at applying a number of wrestling holds. And best of all she loves being the CF in CFNM and CFNF combat encounters.

Also, Helen Von Mott, when asked to name the top submission wrestlers other than herself, several years ago released a list, naming Severa as one of the world’s best.

There is no arguing that Severa is one well-put-together lady who appears to be athletic enough to be rated among the best female fetish grapplers in the world. She is advertised on the ‘Net as a session wrestler and appears to be well in demand for such services.

I believe one day Severa may venture into the competitive female wrestling market and make a good accounting of herself. But for now she seems content to be doing the femdom thing and fantasy CFNM and CFNF grappling material. And folks like me appreciate her for that.

Below, Goddess Severa, wearing a black latex bikini, shows off her wrestling skills against a small naked man who is quite large where it counts.
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Old 05-Mar-16, 21:48
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Default Re: CFNM or CFNF Wrestling

That is an old video.

She does do competitive wrestling but with more of martial arts moves than wrestling and she is 41 years old now (soon to be 42)

Look at Jay's scissorfoxes site for more recent videos of her.
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Zweig, I think you are on the right track – assigning value to each wrestler and allowing the chips to fall where they may with the gals with the most points topping the list.

But before we do that, I think we have to first define exactly what wrestling is. I will gladly give up every ballbuster I have on my list, unless there is compelling evidence that they indeed have wrestled and deserve consideration for whatever catch-as-catch-can abilities they indeed do possess.

For example, Rapture has made a number of ballbusting videos but she also has done quite a bit of wrestling and is considered one of the top draws on the sessions circuit..

Also I would argue that there needs to be some photographic or videotape evidence that the women we rank actually has done some form of wrestling – competitive, semi-competitive, fantasy, etc.

That could present a problem with situations with some excellent session wrestlers who, for whatever reasons, have never made any films or participated in photo shoots. I’m sure there are ladies in some cities who are extremely popular with the session crowd but you can’t find nary a photo or clip of them in action.

I have deliberately left women off my list in situations where I could find very little – or no – photographic evidence that they have ever wrestled anyone -- man or woman. Among them are Brigitte Brezovak, Th-Resa Bostock, Sheila Belck, Tazzie Colomb, Elektra (surprisingly) and Colette Guimond, to name a few.

I agree that the contribution one has made to the sport has to be the top consideration. I also agree that wrestling skill – knowledge of holds, strength, stamina and other similar attributes -- should count for a lot.

But we also need to take into consideration who has beaten who in videotaped matches and photo sets. That has to get some weight even in cases where a particular woman put over another woman in scripted productions. (Most rankings hinge on win-loss records or results of encounters between various opponents).

For example, I have video evidence that Hellena Heavenly defeat Sybill Star, but I have read on one Web site that Sybil had at least one victory over Hellena in a pro-style match. Still, I ranked Hellena above Sybill based on what I actually saw in a video and not by what I read in a story. You know, a picture is worth a thousand words. It’s true.

And that brings us to the question about ranking actual pro wrestlers and divas. I would say no. The only pros I have ranked on my previous lists are those who, for whatever reason, crossed over into the fetish wrestling production industry even for short periods.

For example, my current No. 3 veteran pro wrestling champion Angel “Riptide” Orsini, perhaps to pay her rent in lean times, did a couple of videos for Woman’s World, defeating and stripping nude two of that company’s top fetish stars, Rachel and Jill Monroe.

Along those lines, Tylene Buck once wrestled professionally as Major Guns in I believe the old WCW. But now – and for the past seven or eight years – she has primarily worked for fetish wrestling companies including Double Trouble, often competing in the nude.

And another question: What do we do with all of the primarily porn stars, femdoms, spankers, ballbusters and other fetish specialists who have ventured into wrestling in apartment, houses, rings, etc., for one reason or another?

Again, I think they should be considered for ranking. But I can see where other members of this forum would strongly disagree, saying such participants make a mockery of the sport.

Finally, I will be willing to agree that whether a wrestler has participated in CFNF and CFNM matches – my strongest cup of tea -- should be a low priority and not be designated on the list.

That is, as long as the women who have done CFNM or CFNF wrestling videos for companies like Woman’s World, Double Trouble are still given consideration for their contributions to -- and skills displayed – on the wrestling scene.

The same is true for women who have wrestled primarily for the purely porn companies like Ultimate Surrender and Academy Wrestling in their wrestling productions. Some excellent and skilled wrestlers have come out of those ranks, including Ariel X, Dia Zerva, Isamar Gutierrez and Abby Aldrich, to name a few.

We also can do away with the shoe size column of my list for the new compilation rankings that I still believe should have its own thread. Feet – especially large peds on a woman – is my fetish and it so has nothing to do with wrestling talent.

And I think it should be an all-time list to include pioneers Bettie Page, Joan Wise, Judelle DuLong, Beatrice Goffin and many others who paved the way for today’s fetish wrestling stars. I also believe that the list should include active, retired and deceased wrestles.

That said, we are left with Zweig’s suggested attribute of attractiveness as a bone of contention. Talk about subjective -- someone who is attractive to me may not be as attractive to someone else and vice versa. Beauty indeed is in the eye of the beholder.

Certainly I agree that attractiveness should have a low value like 6 or less.
I would hate to think that less skilled, drop-dead gorgeous grappling dolls like Alex Del Monacco, Jenna Preston and Ariella Ferrera would score enough beauty points to be somehow ranked ahead of the far-less-pretty and far-more-wrestling-talented Nicole Bass, Amazon Annie or Anna Konda.

All that said, I think we need to determine first who actually wants to serve on this forum’s nominating and ranking panel and devote the time necessary to produce as complete and accurate list as possible to portray who the top women are on the world’s fetish wrestling scene.

We could communicate with each other via the forum’s private messages or via emails.

For this to work, it has to be an absolutely volunteer-based network of people from all walks of fetish wrestling, including members from the USA, Europe, Asia and other regions so that every woman wrestler who deserves consideration, gets a chance at being considered.

Also, we need to determine who will do all of the math and compilations that will properly reflect the spirit of the entire group’s intentions and not just those of the particular person(s) who wind up putting together the final list.

And once a list of nominees are established for the initial posted ratings, every member of the forum should be given the opportunity to voice opinions as to where they believe their favorites should be considered for ranking or suggest the addition of names the panel may have accidentally omitted.

Certainly a poll would be one way to go. Perhaps we should start with just 100 nominees and post a Top 50 the first time, adding 10 new women to the list every two months or at a frequency to be determined.

In the end, we will still have a list that not everyone will agree with, but at least we will have a finished product that was created by more than a single person and s list that all members of this forum can be proud of.

Then again, what is that they say about a giraffe? Oh yeah, it resembles an animal that was put together by a committee (chuckle).
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Excellent post Cigar 4U

It will be subjective depending on one's opinion and their experience with the girl/lady

That being said, I will give my top 5 girls that I have personally wrestled and yes I lost to all of them.

Ms Rayne (retired)
Flexzee (retired)
Blonde Isabelle (retired)
Arekah Lox
Dominique Danger

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Interesting...I myself have wrestled some of the hottest and biggest names in the business. I am still looking for that last finisher match as, like Toby Keith sang, I may not be as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was. I've taken on the likes of Candy, Kristie Etzold, Brandy, Blake Mitchell and many more. I was told by several (and the producer) that I had more ability to take a smother than anyone they worked with (in fact, they used to have me let the newer ladies wrestle me to start because they knew I was both a gentleman and could let them test their smothering skills. I may be a bit off subject but I wouldn't have missed any of it for the world
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The last two Severa pictures with her nipple torture are extraordinary. My favorite way to submit. Thanks
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I have been intrigued with Bunny Glamazon since she first appeared on the scene on the Joan Wise Greeneyes Web site in the early days of the internet in the 1990s.

She is one of the first “big” stars of the soft-core porn-driven Super Information Highway. When I say big I mean she stands 6-foot-3 and weighs well over 200 pounds. That’s big.

Still, her wrestling skills have long been called into question. Today, I doubt that Bunny does any competitive or even semi-competitve wrestling. Today most of what she calls wrestling leans more toward the comparison fetish side – her grappling with and totally dominating very small men and women.

But there was a time when Ms. G took on at least two really good female fetish wrestlers, defeating one for the mythical Joan Wise club title and losing a one-sided match to arguably the best fetish wrestler of all time.

When she was working primarily for Greeneyes, doing a combination of wrestling, domination and foot fetish videos, Bunny drew interest from Joan Wise supporters demanding that the producer match Bunny against the company’s other big star, Laura Vukov, aka Larissa.

Joan decided to put the two Amazonian women together and wound up producing a fairly good wrestling tape, with Bunny barely winning the contest against the slightly smaller but far more muscular Ms. Vukov.

It was said to have been Laura’s first-ever loss in a videotaped fight. Larissa/Laura pretty much disappeared from the scene after that.

Bunny was at her zenith, perhaps believing that she was a lot better of a wrestler than she actually was. So much so, she accepted an offer from Helen Von Mott to do a competitive match. Both Bunny and Helen brought film crews to videotape the match as each obviously planned to sell it to their respective fan base.

Cutting to the chase, Helen kicked Bunny’s ass real bad. It was an embarrassing loss for Bunny who never released her videotape to the public. Helen, in the aftermath, did release her video version of the fight and maintained on the Internet that she never meant to embarrass the Big Bunny.

Helen lamented that when she tried to contact Bunny to mend fences with her, Bunny refused to return her calls or emails.

Quite frankly, if it weren’t for the Larissa and Helen matches I would have had difficult placing Bunny in the Top 15 of my all-time fetish wrestlers list. In the most recent rankings on this thread, I ranked Bunny at No. 11, just ahead of Laura Vukov. Helen Von Mott remains No. 1 all-time on my list.

I have been hesitant to run photos of Bunny on this thread because she has done next-to-nothing when it comes to CFNM fighting and absolutely nothing as far as CFNF grappling is concerned, though she has long dominated women in her videos doing every humiliating thing to those gals except stripping them naked.

Below are video caps from the only two CFNM combat videos I’ve ever seen of a clothed Bunny Glamazon against nude men. In the first, she grapples with a tiny male security guard before stripping him bare. In the other video against a fairly large nude man, BG beats him up then spanks his bare ass and foot soles.

If anyone has any additional CFNM matches involving Bunny I’d sure like to see them. The same goes for any CFNF combat encounters.

Bunny does sessions and videotaping of matches at her Indiana home-base facility and still keeps a pretty active travel schedule to wrestle with old and new male fans.

Even though Bunny is now a lot older, much heavier and not in anywhere near the good shape she once was, she still intrigues me. And I believe she still would make a good showing in a real match against some of today’s adequate fetish wrestlers. Against the real good ones, however, I doubt it.
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Default Re: CFNM or CFNF Wrestling

In the final posting of my tribute to three heavyweights we look at a couple of matches involving Saharra Huxly.

First, Saharra easily toys with a small naked blonde in a CFNF encounter.

Second, Sahrra gets a bit of a challenge from Latin spitfire Chi Chi Medina who, after a dunking, lands some blows on the much larger Ms. Huxly in a dungeon catfight.

Saharra weathers the storm and comes back to beat Chi Chi and strip her naked. Still, I'm considering the 5-foot-2 Medina for a future update of my top fetish wrestlers of all time. She has made a couple of wrestling videos and has made a good accounting of heselt.

This time, however, Chi Chi bit off a little more -- make that a lot more -- than she could chew.
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Default Re: CFNM or CFNF Wrestling

As I have written before I am not a big fan of 2-on-1, 3-on-1 or multiple women on one man in CFNM wrestling matches.

I just don’t think it is a fair fight, especially when a naked man has to fend off several women all intent on busting his balls as their main focus of attack.

But I do love the ballbusting component in CFNM fights and few companies do it better than Milked and Busted. Most of that company’s “wrestling matches” are ballbusted themed.

The images from the match below feature three of Milked and Busted regulars – Miss Iris doing the rack-and-lift and the duo of Amai Liu (aka Amai So Sweet) in the red outfit and Miss Leslee in the pink shirt doing mostly observing and later joining in to scamble the hapless guy’s eggs.

The guy is a veteran of numerous Milked and Busted ballbusting videos known simply as The Old Man, though I really don’t think he looks all that old.

Milked and Busted’s videos can be purchased at Clips-4-Sale for reasonable costs. Also a number of their shorter preview videos can be downloaded for free at a number of sites including XHamster.

The women in these videos really seem to enjoy their work and often laugh after delivering a particularly painful blow to the guy’s manhood.

The Milked and Busted girls primarily hail from Philadelphia, where I believe Milked and Busted’s studio is located. Many of them are quite petite.

Amai Liu stands just 5-feet tall, weighs only 79 pounds and wears a size 2.5 shoe (I didn’t know an adult foot could be that small!). Miss Leslee is 5-foot-1, weighs 98 pounds and wears a size 5.5 shoe. Miss Iris is a relatively tall 5-foot-7, weighs 130 pounds and wears a size 7.5 shoe.

I enjoyed the videotaped match below but I wish the cameraman had taken a step or two back to get everyone fully in the frame. Because the shots were so tight, the viewer is deprived of many of the facial expressions of Miss Iris and the nude man.

So I cropped the video captures to try to catch as many good facial shots as possible.

As for the hold Miss Iris is applying (I call it a rack-and-lift) I can imagine that it is quite painful, especially since the man is lifted off of his feet with all of the pressure – and his full body weight -- bearing down on his nuts pressed against her bare feet. Ouuuuuuuch!

And I imagine it takes pretty strong legs to lift a good sized man like the one in this video off of his feet.

Again, this is really not proper wrestling, but I think it is close enough to be on theme with the spirit of this forum.

What do the rest of you think?
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Default Re: CFNM or CFNF Wrestling

As I have previously written, not every CFNM -- or CFNF -- match begins with a clothed woman taking on a naked opponent.

Sometimes, the clothed woman has to strip her opponent en route to victory.

In the two sets of photos below from the Girl Bullies production company, one of the top female fetish wrestlers in the business, Penny Barber, unclads her male rivals in CFNM matches.

In the first, with the help of another female grappler, Penny, wearing her trademark plastic-rimmed glasses, deprives a male opponent of his trunks.

In the second match, Penny, this time without her adorable eyewear (I absolutely love those glasses!) needs no help peeling the pants, shorts and socks off of s msn who desperately tries to cover his junk.

Penny will have none of that as she simply bends back the index fingers on both of the guy's hands, threatening to break them if he does not reveal his manhood tothe prying camera.

It proves once again that whether a match begins CFNM/CFNF or ends that way it remains one of the sexiest forms of combat.
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