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Xenia Onatopp 55 75.34%
James Bond 18 24.66%
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Old 17-Nov-17, 23:25
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Default Re: Xenia Onatopp vs James Bond - who would win in a cage fight with no rules?

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James Bond of course, and if it´s the Roger Moore version he would fuck her for sure.
Can’t agree more!
Some women are totally sadistic and can totally overwhelm a guy by applying a simple hold. But Bond is different he always finds a way. Roger Moore would be extremely superior
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Old 18-Nov-17, 00:38
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Default Re: Xenia Onatopp vs James Bond - who would win in a cage fight with no rules?

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Can’t agree more!
Some women are totally sadistic and can totally overwhelm a guy by applying a simple hold. But Bond is different he always finds a way. Roger Moore would be extremely superior
I like watching women kick men asses but I am objective. James Bond is like Batman. he always finds a way for winning. and Roger Moore was my favorite Bond. he had the talent for turning any woman into her personal bitch even if the woman was the most cruel sadistic assassin.
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Old 19-Nov-17, 13:30
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Default Re: Xenia Onatopp vs James Bond - who would win in a cage fight with no rules?

Xenia may be technically the better fighter but her arrogance would be her downfall. She would probably give Bond a damn good hiding, but then become complacent in her superiority and not finish the job when she has the chance. That would open the door for some 007 opportunism.

Bond is not adverse to fighting dirty when the situation calls. He'd sneak a weapon in if he had to - the wrist band that fires a dart or something crafty.

Even if James had to resort to hair-pulling, biting or fish-hooking, he'd find a way. He always does.

Maybe if they used 'the ticket' from Last Action Hero and were transported to the real world or a different universe (maybe the Austin Powers universe where they alluded to 007's demise) Xenia might just finish the job.

Bond was indeed frighteningly close to being snuffed out by Xenia's body scissors on both occasions and was portrayed as being lucky and resorting to opportunistic tactics to overcome her. Clearly Xenia Onatopp is written as an extremely dangerous femme fatal and in hand-to-hand combat, she could do whatever she wanted with him to the point of killing him with her bare hands/legs, just as she did to the admiral. This point was highlighted by Bond feeling the need to hold her at gunpoint in the sauna, despite her being unarmed.
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Old 19-Nov-17, 19:11
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Xenia may be technically the better fighter but her arrogance would be her downfall. She would probably give Bond a damn good hiding, but then become complacent in her superiority and not finish the job when she has the chance. That would open the door for some 007 opportunism.
Her arrogance could be based on her defeating similar men in the past in the same fashion. We never really got to know much about Xenia's past but considering she was so highly respected by that criminal organization that trusted her to perform all those important tasks over all the men that they had employed, it's logical to think that she must have been very skilled and effective even in unarmed combat.

She was confident enough in her skills to face James Bond without bringing a weapon with her. If that was her modus operandi and she didn't get punished for it before, the chances are that her fighting skills were simply that good. The thing is that we didn't even see her display her full ability since she seemed to be toying with Bond and wasn't even punching him despite being in a dominant position.

Also Xenia being from Soviet Union it would be realistic to assume that she would be very familiar with all kinds of grappling techniques from Sambo and Judo. On the other hand, before the UFC 1 in 1994 people in the USA hardly knew what submissions were and in the West martial arts like karate were considered the most effective. Xenia could have had a lot of experience of beating and subduing Western agents and spies by exploiting their lack of grappling knowledge. That could be the reason why she felt so arrogant and cocky once she was wrapped around James Bond.

Obviously the people who developed her character probably didn't think about that but it's fun to fantasize about what kind of skills she might realistically have with her background. Sambo grappling techniques have been part of Soviet army training since even before the WWII. Russians knew about the effectiveness of grappling way before UFC 1 and Royce Gracie. It wouldn't be totally unrealistic if a 6 foot tall highly skilled Russian female soldier and assassin like Xenia would have more than enough combined strenght and grappling knowledge to be able to subdue Westerners who at the time would likely have no clue about those techniques.

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This point was highlighted by Bond feeling the need to hold her at gunpoint in the sauna, despite her being unarmed.
That was definitely pretty embarrassing for Bond if you think about it. He also wanted to reach for the gun earlier in the fight but was kicked and subdued before he could grab it. Bond had no problems hitting and overpowering enemy women in a rough way in the other films but here he didn't want to risk going another round with Xenia.
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Default Re: Xenia Onatopp vs James Bond - who would win in a cage fight with no rules?

Even though I voted Xenia, I get the "Bond is like Batman, he finds a way to win" argument and that's legit. I also don't think she's a more skilled fighter, she has one move. Bond has many moves and he's fought off stronger opponants than her in the past with intelligence. She might be stronger, especially in the legs.

The whole thing is fantasy though. "He finds a way to win" is fiction. In reality, the better fighter wins. Her legs can kill a guy with a body scissor is also fiction. Two equal opponents, the bodyscissor isn't a very effective hold. It can be fun, but it's not a useful MMA hold.

The scorpion rib crush, however, that can be nasty and break ribs/stop the opponent from breathing, but that's not the hold Xenia applied.

So the whole thing is fiction, there's no real answer. It's like debating who's stronger the Hulk or Superman.
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In reality, the better fighter wins.
*most of the time.

There are plenty of examples of what history would regard as "better fighters" not always winning. Lennox Lewis, for example, when he lost to Oliver McCall. A very big upset and probably something that wouldn't happen 99 times out of 100. Whether it's because they took their opponent lightly or made a tactical error, there are always a multitude of factors involved.

That's why, from what we saw in the movie, my first thought was to go with Bond because despite Xenia's deadliness, she never respects 007's ability/ingenuity enough.

That said, I do agree that there's not enough evidence to conclusively say she's the better fighter. I may have to watch the movie again, but I don't think we ever see any martial arts or hand-to-hand fighting skills from Xenia. Although the quick and effortless way she thwarts and briefly knocks out Natalya again portrays her as a dangerous, imposing and very physically capable woman.
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Old 25-Nov-17, 14:43
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Default Re: Xenia Onatopp vs James Bond - who would win in a cage fight with no rules?

we shouldn´t be fooled by the physical appearance of Xenia. She looks like a fashion model ( she is 6´0 and 130 lbs), has these very long legs, lean stature and beautiful face.

But she is also the lone bodyguard of the russian general, meaning she is considered to be an exceptional fighter. She is sent alone on dangerous missions and kills a grown male by chocking him between her legs after toying with him.

Bond always needs a weapon in order to counter her. i am affraid that in a pure hand to hand situation, she would have the training and skills to defeat him, even if he has a huge weight advantage. would even bet on her badly and quickly beating him up, or strangling him to death.
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