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Default Lesser recognised Pioneers

While Judell is rightly recognised as the real pioneer of female submission wrestling, closely followed by Beatrice, the others that were around in that era get little mention. I am thinking of the likes of Dr Ron and his California Supreme/Bellstone and Joan Wise and Jeff & Jo Bray on the east coast.

California Supreme and Joan Wise ventured more into the topless/sexy aspect while the Bray's stuck more to the same style as Judell. No doubt most of us have heard of Sherri Whitlow, and wish there was more material available about her matches. Another basically freelance wrestler who was active at that time was Bonnie Wine. She had a number of matches at the Bray establishment but also matches against other girls.

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Thank you for the pictures and reminding us of these wonderful pioneers.
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Default Re: Lesser recognised Pioneers

Wow! Such an amazing rare set of photos of Bonnie Wine! Thank you, Ian!

I would also name Linda Schultz among the lesser known pioneers. She wrestled with Judell, the video of which was posted [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register], as well as Bonnie Wine, and was generally active during that time. Photos from Bonnie Wine vs Linda Schultz:
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While Judell is rightly recognised as the real pioneer of female submission wrestling, closely followed by Beatrice, the others that were around in that era get little mention. I am thinking of the likes of Dr Ron and his California Supreme/Bellstone and Joan Wise and Jeff & Jo Bray on the east coast.
I forget where and when I read it, but didn't Ron Dvorkin's endeavors go back at least as far as 1959?
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Wow! Such an amazing rare set of photos of Bonnie Wine! Thank you, Ian!

I would also name Linda Schultz among the lesser known pioneers. She wrestled with Judell, the video of which was posted [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register], as well as Bonnie Wine, and was generally active during that time. Photos from Bonnie Wine vs Linda Schultz:
Yes, Linda did wrestle Judell. I think I have Linda's account of the match somewhere, but Judell did tell me that she had to "carry" Linda a fair bit to make the match look genuine. It was released as Item 5, and was the first film released by Judell, with items 1 to 4 all being photo sets. Linda did not wrestle any of the other Camp Amazon girls.

Yes I have photos from the Linda v Bonnie match and will get to them, but I can only upload 10 photos per post.

I will have to delve into my records and see what I can find. The other thing that gets overlooked is that I think I am right in saying that Robin of Les Femmes Fatales fame actually started her wrestling career at California Supreme.
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Wow, these photos are beautiful! Love their playful home-made nature! Thank you once again, Ian!

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Judell did tell me that she had to "carry" Linda a fair bit to make the match look genuine.
Judell talks about the Linda match as well as some of the ladies named in this thread in the third part of the interview that we did with her: [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

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The other thing that gets overlooked is that I think I am right in saying that Robin of Les Femmes Fatales fame actually started her wrestling career at California Supreme.
Robin says in this interview (starting at 3:35) that she started with Eric Stanton - [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]
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It is a while since I listened to the interview you organised with Judell, so I can't remember what she said in it, and it may have been different to what she sasid to me in a private discussion.

As for Robin, my understanding is that she started F/F wrestling at CS, but the work for Eric Stanton was her start in mixed matches.

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Thanks for the memories and those cheerful photos.
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Bonnie vs Kathy Petronis:
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Bonnie vs Kathy looks like it was an awesome match! Thank you, Ian! Do we know who won?
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