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Old 16-Apr-19, 17:32
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Question Let's name holds: double shoulder twist

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What would you name this hold? Currently at Fight Pulse we use the name "arm stretch," which this hold is not. While stretching the arm(s) is part of it, it doesn't have to be. Double shoulder twist sounds ok, but I think we can come up with something better. Another option was strappado, which is a medieval torture method with similar mechanics, which is also why we passed on it.

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Description: basically, cranking both arms back and up towards their head, twisting the shoulders, while the person is on the ground, face down. The attacker is usually straddling the defender's back, but can also be standing and treading on his / her back / neck / head to keep them down. Defender taps with his / her foot or submits verbally from the overstretching/wrenching of the shoulders.

This can also be applied on one arm:

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"Back mount Double shoulder lock "
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Surfboard with a Twist
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Default Re: Let's name holds: double shoulder twist

I would call that a double/single shoulder lock I think.
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Default Re: Let's name holds: double shoulder twist

That's the "Kiss the mat until I tell you to stop" hold.
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The traditional name for this hold in pro-wrestling circles is the Surfboard.
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Default Re: Let's name holds: double shoulder twist

The one I have seen closer to this submission is the "Cattle mutilation" (photo attached) , but the person doing the submission is in front. In catch wrestling/Jiu-Jitsu, never seen it, the closest will be a shoulder lock, since the pressure is on the shoulder joint (with the danger of dislocation like the hamerlock/kimura).
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The traditional name for this hold in pro-wrestling circles is the Surfboard.
You are wrong!

While in the pictures shown by Zweig you push down your opponent's chest flat on the mat, either by sitting on his back or pressing a foot on his upper back and you mainly attack his sholders.

In a Surfboard hold you mainly attack your opponent's back, bending it back by pulling his upper body towards you while you are pressing down his lower back / hip with your foot.
The pressure on the shoulders is a side effect.

Nowadays the Romero Hold / Ceiling Hold goes under the term Surfboard too but in my opinion that's not correct.
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