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Default NOGI BEAR Accused of Fetishizing Women Grappling

By jealousy of the girlfriend a man blue belt of jiu jitsu may have hacked [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]. What a jerk!

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Default Re: NOGI BEAR Accused of Fetishizing Women Grappling

Dude, women do not grapple or train Jiu-Jitsu to satisfy men's fetish. Get yourself a girlfriend of go for a porn site

This guy is not a jerk, he's protecting the privacy of his girlfriend
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Default Re: NOGI BEAR Accused of Fetishizing Women Grappling

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Dude, women do not grapple or train Jiu-Jitsu to satisfy men's fetish. Get yourself a girlfriend of go for a porn site

This guy is not a jerk, he's protecting the privacy of his girlfriend
True, but this is happening in a public venue.

You yourself are on malevsfemale.org...you seriously don't see the erotic appeal of two women grappling?

I don't get the outrage about this at all.

Grappling tournaments are generally filmed. If people are such prudes, they should grapple in their private schools where they're not being filmed.

Here's the reddit thread btw: [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

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Default Re: NOGI BEAR Accused of Fetishizing Women Grappling

This thread needs a more accurate title, because that reddit contains a pretty substantive debate about public sporting events and privacy.
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Dude, women do not grapple or train Jiu-Jitsu to satisfy men's fetish. Get yourself a girlfriend of go for a porn site

This guy is not a jerk, he's protecting the privacy of his girlfriend
I find I don't really agree with the premises here. Sure, these woman are grappling for competitive reasons. But there's absolutely nothing wrong with guys finding that attractive and sexy. Obviously the entire existence of this forum is based around that idea.

So, first of all, get off your moral high horse with the "get yourself a girlfriend or go for a porn site." If someone enjoys going to a women's grappling match in public because it turns them on, then they are well within their rights and there is nothing unethical about their behavior. I'll bet most guys on this site have been persecuted in some minor or major way for their sexual preferences. We don't need your judgement, which is fundamentally flawed and, frankly, highly disrespectful.

Then there's the issue of filming. I think that has some complexities to it. I wouldn't claim to know the law, but I've seen people filming at all kinds of sporting events, from soccer matches to wrestling meets.

When I wrestled in high school, people filmed all the time. I know for a fact that some women filmed because they found it arousing. I don't have a problem with that because I was in a public sporting event. I'm not sure the boyfriend has much right to get angry with someone filming his girlfriend at a public event.

The last issue is with turning around and taking your recording and putting it on the web for all to see, possibly for profit. I wouldn’t presume to know the legalities or ethics of that. It’s even more complicated.

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Default Re: NOGI BEAR Accused of Fetishizing Women Grappling

Absolutely agree with above.
The only reason I watch sports like the Olympics is because of the girls, who have by far the best bods you will see anywhere.
Anyone see anything wrong with that? I guess I'm not the only one either; although it is true that few people will admit this.
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Default Re: NOGI BEAR Accused of Fetishizing Women Grappling

Humans are sexy. There's nothing wrong with it. If you don't want people to "sexualize" you in any way, stay home, or wear a box outside.

It was a public event, because any event where you can buy a ticket is public, so the filming was legal.

However, I find there are two issues here. First, if someone or their partner asks you to stop filming, you should, generally speaking, unless you are authorized by the promoter. Second, as far as I know, without having a signed release form, you can't use the material for profit. I can't find this info on the archived site, but as per the reddit thread, the website said that all profit from the videos goes to charity, and that might change something if true (?) but there's no way to prove it.

That being said, this is the channel in question: [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]. The hacked page refers to the original Nogi Bear channel which has mostly male grappling it seems.
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Default Re: NOGI BEAR Accused of Fetishizing Women Grappling

The matter here is not filming a person. The big issue is filming a girl to satisfy your pleasure, exposing her on the internet, without her consent. I cant believe some of you see nothing wrong with this idea!!

Would you let some guy record your lady, just to get at home and jerk off watching her??? This is absurd, at least!

Also, just because I am on this forum, doesn't mean I agree with everything and every post

Also 2 (hehe) I was never disrespectul to anybody, I am sorry if some of you got it wrong

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Humans are sexy. There's nothing wrong with it. If you don't want people to "sexualize" you in any way, stay home, or wear a box outside.

It was a public event, because any event where you can buy a ticket is public, so the filming was legal.
Following your logic, there's nothing wrong in filming upskirt girls at the street? Since it is a public place?

As I said before, the issue is not filming someone, the issue is filming someone, post in the internet and sexualize the person in the video without consent, that is where the crime lies

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Default Re: NOGI BEAR Accused of Fetishizing Women Grappling

I am not a lawyer, but I am quite familiar with most of the major legal tenets relative to my profession.

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The matter here is not filming a person. The big issue is filming a girl to satisfy your pleasure, exposing her on the internet, without her consent. I can't believe some of you see nothing wrong with this idea!!

Would you let some guy record your lady, just to get at home and jerk off watching her??? This is absurd, at least!
In most instances, privacy laws in the U.S. do extend to thoughtcrime and in all 50 states, the law does not recognize any expectation of privacy once someone leaves home.

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Also, just because I am on this forum, doesn't mean I agree with everything and every post

Also 2 (hehe) I was never disrespectful to anybody, I am sorry if some of you got it wrong

Following your logic, there's nothing wrong in filming upskirt girls at the street? Since it is a public place?

As I said before, the issue is not filming someone, the issue is filming someone, post in the internet and sexualize the person in the video without consent, that is where the crime lies
No, you are not allowed to film *up* someone's skirt. But if you want to film the skirt itself and the exposed legs, you are welcome to do so in public.

When an event organizer rents a venue to host a competition, that organizer has the license to determine who may film there and they have the right to outline the purposes for which filming may be permitted. If the event organizer chooses not to make it conditional, then people can legally record whatever they want.

That permission to record, however, does *not* necessarily extend to anyone a license to sell the product for any reasons at all.
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