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Old 31-Dec-16, 08:01
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Sorry for posting two threads in one day, I couldn't see anything in the rules against it but let me know if that's wrong. I've never had a forum to express these thoughts before, so I have a lot to say!

I also apologize if this isn't nearly as interesting to you as it is to me. For some reason, being intellectually convinced of this kind of thing always feels to strange/weird/exciting to me.

So I've never heard of anything like this in real life, but honestly, it seems like an entirely plausible scenario that a woman, if she chose to use her talents for evil, could legitimately kill a man (maybe several) by seducing them and then luring them into a well timed side scissor.

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1. Pose as an online prostitute or female escort (Or a government hired female assassin!)
2. Once alone with man, she could ask him to lie on the bed face up. She could make up something like "Let me try something on you real quick" or "Let me show you something fun". I highly doubt a seduced man would say no to this, especially if she had started taking off some of her clothes by that point.
3. She could then just lay down and place the back of his neck on her inner thigh, asking him if he felt like his neck was comfortable and supported.
4. With her other leg, she could briefly rub his body with her foot, and tell him to close his eyes and take deep breaths. She might even rub his crotch area to really make sure his mind was off things and at ease.
5. After a minute or so, she would wait until he exhales after a deep breath and then quickly place her other thigh directly over his throat, pull his head into her crotch, lock her ankles, and squeeze.

Does anyone who has done a session know about how long it would take to go unconscious or at least blackout from a direct side scissor like this? I'm not thinking she would have to fight him for long, especially if she were fairly strong. Even for a big guy, the struggle might be over in just a couple seconds really. He may not even understand how to react for a few seconds and lose really valuable time.

And there wouldn't be any evidence left at the scene, no ligature marks or signs of struggle. It would require no weapons, poison, or any external devices. Because his airway was being closed shut, it's unlikely that he could call out for help. She could quietly leave him 'sleeping' in his bed and no one would think a thing of it.

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Someone like [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register] seems like a perfect candidate for this. She's very [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register], and [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register] aren't overly large so as to not fit directly under his chin. Also, she's actually [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register] (squatting 225x3 here).

Anyway that's my thought. Sorry if this is too random or nobody cares. I just thought it was weird to think of a girl like that as someone who could legitimately kill me and I would never see it coming

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Old 31-Dec-16, 08:13
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Strange thought (from my point of view)! But I guess no stranger than a lot of my thoughts (from other people's point of view).

I have never been KO'd so I can't say how long it would take. I guess the initial KO might take 10 seconds (based on other chokes I have seen) but to kill someone you probably have to hold on for a good bit longer. I don't know.

I know from various sessions I've has that there are many women that once they get me in a headscissors, I am only getting out if they decide to let me out - so, yes, there definitely women that could kill a man like this.
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I have never been KO'd so I can't say how long it would take. I guess the initial KO might take 10 seconds (based on other chokes I have seen)
Man, I don't know. I suppose we'd have to ask Jay, but I just don't see how anyone could last for 10 seconds in this, I could definitely be wrong though!

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Man, I don't know. I suppose we'd have to ask Jay, but I just don't see how anyone could last for 10 seconds in this, I could definitely be wrong though!

She's not going all out, not close. I'm sure he's uncomfortable and there's a good chance she's not letting him breath, but there just ain't no way she's giving him her full squeeze. It would be dangerous if she did.
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If you want to murder someone I can think of less complex and more reliable methods, yes your scenario may be possible, but does anyone care?
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Does anyone who has done a session know about how long it would take to go unconscious or at least blackout from a direct side scissor like this? I'm not thinking she would have to fight him for long, especially if she were fairly strong. Even for a big guy, the struggle might be over in just a couple seconds really. He may not even understand how to react for a few seconds and lose really valuable time.
Depends on a number of factors. Sheila Bird KO'd Kim Couture in less than 10 seconds, looks like 3-5 seconds with a leg-scissor on the throat choke. And, while the stories aren't worth looking up, death has come from as little as a minute with blood chokes. It's faster than suffocation, or, I should say, it can be faster.



If the guy was able to get his chin tucked in, partially blocking her leg or if he turned his head quick enough, he'd have a chance of surviving, especially if he was a strong guy and/or she wasn't well trained. It's also hard to say what adrenaline kicking in might do for the guy or if he had good instincts and he put his hand quickly between her ankles, he's have a shot, but I'd give the lady in your scenario a better than 50% success rate if she was any good at all, over 90% if she was trained.

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And there wouldn't be any evidence left at the scene, no ligature marks or signs of struggle. It would require no weapons, poison, or any external devices. Because his airway was being closed shut, it's unlikely that he could call out for help. She could quietly leave him 'sleeping' in his bed and no one would think a thing of it.
I'm not a medical expert, but there could be bruising and signs of a struggle around the neck. A blood choke leaves essentially zero evidence. I heard that on the news once, but a leg scissor choke very well might. If she whispered sweet nothings in his ear, then blood-choked him with a sleeper hold from behind, that might leave very little in the way of evidence, other than DNA ofcourse, but, as you said, "he died in his sleep" might be hard to disprove.

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Anyway that's my thought. Sorry if this is too random or nobody cares. I just thought it was weird to think of a girl like that as someone who could legitimately kill me and I would never see it coming
Well, people wright books and movies not dissimilar to this all the time. James Bond is full of women who kill with their thighs. I read a novel where pretty much your scenario was discussed, in the sense that the lady wanted to do it to the college kid she was sleeping with as a cover, just so she could see the look on his face as she crushed the life out of him. (she was the criminal in that story, obviously), but she never did it, she just wanted to. It's from the Inspector Rostnikov series, which are well written cop based mystery books set in Russia. I don't remember which book that scene was in though.

I'm personally not into death scenarios. Broken ribs from too hard a body scissor, or, say, a "bad cop" scenario where the lady beats a confession out of the guy, or tying a guy up and the ladies take turns using him as a punching bag till he can barely walk out of the session, or getting body-scissored by super-girl or dominated and crushed by Cameron (from Terminator TV series). Given that she's made of metal on the inside, she probably weighs close to 300 lbs, but I'd still let her get on top. Stuff like that, I can enjoy, at least in story form, likely not in real life.

As they say, to each his own.
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If you want to murder someone I can think of less complex and more reliable methods, yes your scenario may be possible, but does anyone care?
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I'd give the lady in your scenario a better than 50% success rate if she was any good at all, over 90% if she was trained.
Dang thanks for the thorough review! Yeah she'd definitely have to be trained and well prepared for this, not just a spur of the moment thing. She would definitely have to get all the way under his chin directly over the throat and go full force right when he's between breaths. It wouldn't really be a matter of how long it would take to 'kill' him, but more of just how long it would take to immobilize him or cause him to start blacking out or otherwise lose his ability to fight back. Because that move is so dangerous though, I doubt even old Drew and Jay have fully experienced it so it's hard to find any data on what would happen, though your video comes close!

And I agree about not really being 'into' death scenarios in general, it actually felt a little weird writing that all out but it was really more of just a "whoa, something crazy like this could actually happen" moment.

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This scenario sounds close to a video Scarlett Devine did but just ended in a knockout

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Depends on a number of factors. Sheila Bird KO'd Kim Couture in less than 10 seconds, looks like 3-5 seconds with a leg-scissor on the throat choke. And, while the stories aren't worth looking up, death has come from as little as a minute with blood chokes. It's faster than suffocation, or, I should say, it can be faster.



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Wooow, this ref is so stupid, her legs obviously fell on the ground and it took at least 6 sec for him to realize that she is out. So dangerous.
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Wooow, this ref is so stupid, her legs obviously fell on the ground and it took at least 6 sec for him to realize that she is out. So dangerous.
The ref got intense criticism for his job that night and he was investigated by the Calgary commission that sponsored the fight.

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I read somewhere that Sheila Bird let up, she didn't squeeze full out the entire time. If you watch it, you can kind of see when she eases up about 2 seconds before the ref calls the fight, perhaps even earlier, but that's about where I see it.

Helen von Mott wrote in her blog about something similar, the Ref thought the head-scissor looked hot, so he wasn't checking on the lady Helen had in the head scissor - she was out and she couldn't tap before she was out cause her arm was trapped and Helen didn't see that. After a few seconds Helen thought to herself "nobody can take this" and she let go and her unconscious opponent kind of spilled out of her legs.
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