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Old 05-Sep-18, 18:29
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If strength was the primary factor in winning, Royce Gracie would not have won the early UFCs against stronger experts in fighting arts.

Smaller wrestlers can force stronger people to surrender by focusing force on weak areas of the bigger person's body.

Wrestling/jiu-jitsu is about putting oneself in position to execute a submission technique.
That is very true, but there comes a point when the difference in strength and size is so great that the big guy has to be completely clueless and the gal has to be an olympic athlete.

As I said, my personal experience show me this. I probably have wrestled 1% of the time that session wrestlers have wrestled and even the best could not get a winning average. I didn't have great wrestling skills, but the skills I had were good. That was enough to negate any skills advantage that session wrestlers had.

A good competitive matchup from DWW were the mixed series against a fellow named Michal. He was smaller than Arnold yet muscular. The differences between him and the girls was smaller and the girls could legitimately score wins over him even though he was stronger. He just wasn't a brute like Arnold.
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Old 05-Sep-18, 18:41
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That is very true, but there comes a point when the difference in strength and size is so great that the big guy has to be completely clueless and the gal has to be an olympic athlete.

As I said, my personal experience show me this. I probably have wrestled 1% of the time that session wrestlers have wrestled and even the best could not get a winning average. I didn't have great wrestling skills, but the skills I had were good. That was enough to negate any skills advantage that session wrestlers had.

A good competitive matchup from DWW were the mixed series against a fellow named Michal. He was smaller than Arnold yet muscular. The differences between him and the girls was smaller and the girls could legitimately score wins over him even though he was stronger. He just wasn't a brute like Arnold.

In the competitive vids I've seen of Arnold, he lost all the time.

Tiffany beat him 3-2 and Laila beat him 4-1.

He generally was clueless about the need to use his hips to get favorable position.
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In the competitive vids I've seen of Arnold, he lost all the time.

Tiffany beat him 3-2 and Laila beat him 4-1.

He generally was clueless about the need to use his hips to get favorable position.
Arnold even lost his 2 vs 1 match vs Edita & Antonia. I still remember them scoring one pin with Antonia holding his arms and Edita using a very rare Crotch smother pin. I was surprised to see that in a dww mixed because his face was basically buried in between her thighs I guess that was his most competitive encounter in DWW

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Arnold even lost his 2 vs 1 match vs Edita & Antonia. I still remember them scoring one pin with Antonia holding his arms and Edita using a very rare Crotch smother pin. I was surprised to see that in a dww mixed because his face was basically buried in between her thighs I guess that was his most competitive encounter in DWW

Arnold may have been a decent weightlifter/bodybuilder.

But the DWW girls seemed to have a much better intuitive understanding of getting the right positions to win wrestling matches.
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Old 08-Sep-18, 15:32
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Arnold may have been a decent weightlifter/bodybuilder.

But the DWW girls seemed to have a much better intuitive understanding of getting the right positions to win wrestling matches.
exactly! she just kept positioning herself higher and higher up to the point that her crotch totally pinned his face. As a result, antonia was able to easily control his other arm.
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exactly! she just kept positioning herself higher and higher up to the point that her crotch totally pinned his face. As a result, antonia was able to easily control his other arm.

Escaping the schoolgirl pin involves raising your hips toward the ceiling, making your body a half-circle that your opponent slides off of.

DWW women seem to get that.

Guys instead try to sit up, which either gets them counted out or submitted.
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Escaping the schoolgirl pin involves raising your hips toward the ceiling, making your body a half-circle that your opponent slides off of.

DWW women seem to get that.

Guys instead try to sit up, which either gets them counted out or submitted.
yeah. just take a look at the photos. Edith ended up very high on his face because no matter how he tried to raise, she positioned herself higher and covered his upper body and face for better control while antonia controlled the lower segment! I've been in a schoolgirl pin situation. If the girl knows what she is doing, it can be very hard to escape

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yeah. just take a look at the photos. Edith ended up very high on his face because no matter how he tried to raise, she positioned herself higher and covered his upper body and face for better control while antonia controlled the lower segment! I've been in a schoolgirl pin situation. If the girl knows what she is doing, it can be very hard to escape

A wrestling bridge will get you out of a schoolgirl pin fairly quickly and easily.

The DWW guys usually don't use the right bridging technique.
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A wrestling bridge will get you out of a schoolgirl pin fairly quickly and easily.

The DWW guys usually don't use the right bridging technique.
you are right. They lacked some experience but in 2 vs 1 situation like that, Edita ended up settling on his face
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you are right. They lacked some experience but in 2 vs 1 situation like that, Edita ended up settling on his face

Though most DWW wrestlers had no formal training, women as a group were better at bridging out of trouble than males.

If a woman and male were lying side-by-side on the mat, the woman generally moved her hips to get on top, while the guy usually would just lie there.

Position before submission: Girls understood that, guys didn't.
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