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Default Re: Dez Desire vs Me

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Originally Posted by Elbow Escape [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]
There are plenty of istinctive and intuitive things that an untrained guy could do to try to win in a grappling match against trained in BJJ.
You can try to grab their head in an headlock or in a guillotine, get on top of her and push you forearm on their throat, grab their arm and twist it behind their back with brute strenght, get behind her and apply a rudimental rear naked choke etc...all things that would actually work if you the strenght difference is big enough, they are basically the epitome of "much bigger and stronger person bullies much weaker and therefore helpless one".
There may be a couple things they could do, but most of what you mentioned are just variations of a headlock. I think the fact remains that 80%+ of an untrained person's offensive repertoire will be unavailable to him given a BJJ ruleset. Again, I'm not making the "BJJ doesn't work in a street fight" argument here. The BJJ guy may very well still win in a no rules fight, but we should at least be able to agree that the restrictions imposed by BJJ rules disproportionately affect the untrained fighter.


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Some of the main principles of BJJ about fighting much heavier and stronger opponent in a real fight are:

-Be patient and conserve energy while making the big guy tired, since the more he is tired the smaller is strenght advantage become.
In a fight a big guy who is attacking aggressive with strenght and no technique will tire out very fast, what the big guy has to do is grab him and stay close to not give the space to strike him and act in an efficient way that would preserve his energy.

As a part of the strategy, when a big guy is on top of the BJJ, the goal is not to escape as fast as possible explosively burning and wasting energy, but to chill, be calm and patient, make sure you are protected and then wait for the best moment to escape.
"if he is controlling you, that's absolutely no problem as long as he is not submitting you, he has to attack sooner or later, and then he would give you the space to make your move"

Those are words from elite BJJ guys such as te Gracie's, not just mine, if you don't trust me.

It's an extremely common scenario (both in grappling challenges and real fights) for an untrained much bigger guy to spent a lot of time on top of a BJJ guy thinking that he is winning and dominating, while in reality he is right on his trap and he end up being submitted without even realizing how it happened.

So with a 15 minutes limit where you are just defending and try to control it would be the other way around, she would be the one forced by the rules to be aggressive and in a hurry, waste energy etc....in a way a good BJJ practitioner would not otherwise, and I can see you be on top of her for a while and doing nothing, time rans out and you go home thinking that you have won while if you tried to attack she would have turned the table on you, meaning she was not actually in trouble and at a disadvantage.
Haha! So what I hear you saying is that my strategy is a lot smarter and more effective than the average dummy who goes charging into something he doesn't understand!

I mean, I agree with you that my approach will give me a better chance at success. Where we disagree is the extent to which this approach resembles a real fight. What you say is true, 'if' I were to attack, I would be much more vulnerable to a counterattack from her than I would otherwise. But again, the way I would go about attacking in a BJJ match is far different than what I would do in a life/death fight. You might be pleased to hear me say this: I concede that I would lose to Dez (or any BJJ practitioner) in a BJJ competition! But because I don't practice BJJ, I'm not particularly interested in that. What I'd really like to know is whether a woman who knows BJJ could literally walk up to me and end my life without me being able to do anything about it. Granted, there's no way to actually test this, but my thought/hope was that just trying to defend/control would at least give me a feel for what it might be like. Emphasis on "control" by the way, which will involve me being the aggressor to some extent. Of course I could technically avoid getting submitted by just running around the cage the whole time, haha.

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And by the way, why the submission challenges are 30 minutes and the grappling match just 15?
It make more sense to do the opposite in my opinion, it should not take much time to cycle through a series of submission to see if you can escape or not, while the longer the grappling match is the more realiable it result would be (the longer it is, the more likely is that you get tired and she outlast you, or that you make a mistake and she capitalize etc....)
Those times are just estimates. If part 1 gets finished sooner, then we'll have more time for grappling. How long part 1 takes will depend on how long Dez decides to hold me in place in the event I can't escape. I'm very serious about the "male ego therapy" thing actually. I think it's going to take me awhile to admit whatever she asks me to say.


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That's untrue, the gap between untrained bigger, stronger and more athletic man and trained females differ immensely based on the activity, in some the gap in insourmountable and in other is not.
in BJJ is completely different than in Boxing which is completely different than Football which is completely different than Weightlifting which is completely different than Ping Pong.
BJJ is by far one where the gap is smaller that I can think of.
Haha oh c'mon! Lebron James himself would lose to any 16 year old girl who was skilled in: Bowling, tennis, swimming, pool, racquetball, gymnastics, archery, volleyball, softball and plenty of others.

And hey I'm not knocking BJJ here by the way. I take it very seriously, and while I think it's probably more closely correlated to a 'real fight' than most disciplines, it's not "literally exactly the same" like a lot people (not necessarily you) seem to imply!
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