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Default What is the hardest hold to get out of?

For those who have more real world experience than I do:

How would you rank the following holds in order of "Hardest" to "Easiest" to get out of?

1. Front headscissor
2. Rear headscissor
3. Side headscissor
4. Reverse headscissor
5. Bodyscissor
6. Rear naked choke
7. Rear Figure-4
8. Front Figure-4
9. Grapevine pin
10. Straddle pin (wrists pinned)
11. Lotus Lock

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Default Re: What is the hardest hold to get out of?

It's extremely unlikely that you'll be able to escape from a properly applied and cinched rnc before you're sent to KTFO Land. So that's the hardest.
As for the other holds you may want to edit your choices. Scissors are either straight (behind you, facing the same direction), front (you facing her) or reverse. Removing a much lighter opponent from a pin is different from an equal weight or much larger one.

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Default Re: What is the hardest hold to get out of?

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It's extremely unlikely that you'll be able to escape from a properly applied and cinched rnc before you're sent to KTFO Land. So that's the hardest.
So the only thing about the RNC, is while its definitely super effective, I think its most effective when fighting in a ring, cage, mat, or other controlled environment. The only disadvantage I can see with it in a real fight, is that its so easy to pick up and move your opponent (especially a small female), that in a "street" setting, one could use that to their advantage by falling onto sharp objects, brick walls, or down stairs etc which could seriously hurt the attacker. Obviously no guarantee there though.
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Default Re: What is the hardest hold to get out of?

bodyscissor combined with full nelson is tough to get out of if the woman is strong enough
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Rnc combined with body triangle
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Default Re: What is the hardest hold to get out of?

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For those who have more real world experience than I do:

How would you rank the following holds in order of "Hardest" to "Easiest" to get out of?

1. Front headscissor
2. Rear headscissor
3. Side headscissor
4. Reverse headscissor
5. Bodyscissor
6. Rear naked choke
7. Rear Figure-4
8. Front Figure-4
9. Grapevine pin
10. Straddle pin (wrists pinned)
I think the "Easiest" to get completely free of may be the Bodyscissor (if your arms are free). The "Hardest" to get completely free of may be a fully lock-in and properly applied rear naked choke (with attacker's hands totally tucked away).

By Rear headscissor, do you mean where you are facing the attacker's feet? I think it is easier to get out of that sort of headscissor than a reverse headscissor (where you're facing attacker's butt).

I think it'd be easier to get out of a Front Figure-4 than a Rear Figure-4.
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Default Re: What is the hardest hold to get out of?

Don’t think I’ve ever seen anybody escape from a Lotus Lock. Flexible women can generally ride it out for a while but the strain on the shoulders always seems to get a tap in the end, particularly from male victims.
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Default Re: What is the hardest hold to get out of?

Yup thats a tough one to get out of as well. My wife will apply it then roll on her side to exert the maximum pressure on the arms, tough one
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Default Re: What is the hardest hold to get out of?

While it's not on the list, Lotus Hold is extremely tough to break.
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While it's not on the list, Lotus Hold is extremely tough to break.
Forgot about that one, I'm going to add it to the list.


Here is my take, admittedly based mostly on logic and less on experience:

1. Side/throat headscissor (We don't talk about this much, but this literally crushes your throat in a second and I would imagine it's basically impossible to do much about
2. Rear naked choke
3. Rear Figure-4
4. Lotus Lock??
5. Front headscissor
6. Front Figure-4
7. Rear headscissor
8. Reverse headscissor (wrists pinned)
9. Grapevine pin
10. Bodyscissor
11. Straddle pin (wrists pinned)

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