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Old 24-May-23, 22:59
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Default Re: Quality of session wrestlers have gone way down?

Pretty much everyone is writing 5-15+ YOE. Not that it's a metric I'd care about. Probably 1 YOE is good enough to where they know what they're doing and have catered to a variety of fetishes to where they're familiar with pretty much anything you ask them.

But in general, people are going to embellish, no one's going to say only 4 YOE if 5 lands them in the top category.
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Old 26-May-23, 04:04
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Default Re: Quality of session wrestlers have gone way down?

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I think the quality of session wrestlers was just fine in 2019.

You know, I see the same thing with our local music scene. It was pretty strong in 2019. Not as good as in 2009, but still, pretty strong.

And then the virus smashed it to absolute pieces. And it may not recover for decades, if ever.

A lot of these women just, frankly, moved on in 2020. They found other things to do with their lives. They didn't have any other choice. And as they were taking an early retirement, no fresh blood was replacing them.

Session wrestling isn't really just something random women wake up one day and decide to do. It's a collection of communities. And it takes time to build communities.

I suspect the session wrestling scene will be healthy again by 2035, assuming of course that VR tech doesn't advance very rapidly in the interim.

I can speak only for europe and mainly hungary:

A lot went bad after 2019, but also mostly they recovered well.

If i see Pamela Strong, OrsiB, Rada Gold, "Princess" Nikky ,Sativa, Lara from Bnro
have the level of 2019 or stronger now

Dolly and Kimbra improved a lot.

I guess the feeling of bad quality has more to do with girls coming up, that are more interested on OnlineSession, BDSM or just try to earn monney with poor body strength or no skills.

It's why people should consult the review in the forum.

The call of monney let come even girls that are not appropriate to wrestle...
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Old 28-May-23, 10:29
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Default Re: Quality of session wrestlers have gone way down?

Yes, also in my opinion, the quality of session wrestlers have gone down (considerably!) in the last year and will continue to go down.

The main reason for this degradation is, that the mixed wrestling scene is being infiltrated more and more by the sex industry. As a result, fewer and fewer reputable and qualified fighter girls get involved into mixed wrestling. Also, already established women will hesitate to support the mixed scene by recruiting new talents.

Unfortunately, most mixed fans are unaware that their sex driven behavior is destroying their scene. In my opinion, the already existing playground for "sexual athletes" is more than big enough, so that they could have their pleasure without usurping the mixed scene.
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Old 28-May-23, 11:40
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Default Re: Quality of session wrestlers have gone way down?

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New SessionGirls Feature as of Yesterday.
Session Girl enters how many years of wrestling experience they have
Year or Less
1-5
5-15 plus

Guys can do a search for what level of experience they prefer.
This feature will take a little time to become useful since existing Session Girls will need to log into
Their profile and enter their info . (It will be a Mandatory field for New Session Girls. )

I am unable to Verify if a Session Girl actually has the level of experience that they say they do .. however I am sure the reviews will help out with this.

In any case , it's my attempt to help finding legit female mixed wrestlers.

But this won't be it .. a couple of the OG"s and i plan to meet next month to discuss creating a whole other platform where that's all you will find., "The OG"s"
Verified and Everything.

Always a Work in Progress.
That sounds great. If you're doing a fresh start, you could also rework the current UI, I think there's a lot of room for improvments.

I think the most important part is the search / result view. Better control on who get's shown and what I see of them would solve problems mentioned in this thread and others (dominas shown when user only wants sessiongirls, only fans girls / girls who don't offer RL, etc.)

I've attached a screenshot. When I click search, I see now:
- 5 profiles (name, location, very long lists of trvaels)
- Filter options: profile, height, weight, services, long list of states

Some suggestions:
Profiles:
- In the profile I do not need to see travels at that moment. (Unless you have my location and show ("travels to your city on XX.XX.XXXX)). Not showing that gives room for way more profiles the results are more clear/easier to analyze).
- Pictures should be normalized (all same size).
- Additionally I'd like to see:
- - 1) some sort of score (doesn't need to be a 1-5 rating, you could e.g. add a recommend yes/no to the reviews, and then in the search you would have 92% recommendation) or at least number of reviews
- - 2) profile creation date (can be small)
- - 3) perhaps some tags (from services offered?)

Filter:
- "profile" field not needed if the search field allows for names. By far too many names to make sense for a select
- height and other options should filter the result on the right, not open a new page with results (where I cannot filter other stuff)
- Services offered: multiple should be possible
- State list in that form not helpful IMO

There's other stuff, but there's so many websites out there with those features that I don't think spending more time on writing this makes sense.
Compare to e.g. price comparison websites, larger escort websites etc.

In a version of sessiongirls with a great filter system, I could for example search for:
- Sessiongirls who offer "Semi-Competitive Wrestling" and "Fantasy Wrestling" in Germany with a height of 180cm+ with at least 5 reviews.

Or with a profile older than 6 months, your years-of-experience field, perhaps a radius (less than 50km from me) if the user enters a location etc.
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Old 28-May-23, 13:37
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Default Re: Quality of session wrestlers have gone way down?

I don't think the quality has gone down. There are more girls now that can really wrestle because they've taken up BJJ or something like that, or by experience.
In my experience back in the day (en 90's start 00's) you had only a few really skilled wrestlers, some very strong FBB's that could wrestle, FBB's that couldn't wrestle and women that couldn't;t wrestle their way out of a wet paper bag.

There are more skilled wrestlers these days, up to a very high level
There are more FBB's that can wrestle
There are more FBB's that offer sessions, where domination/worship is the main part of the menu
There are more women that can't wrestle, and/or are dominatrices

The internet developed, and the fetish became more accessible to session providers and their clients. That works both ways.

When I was younger I "won" most of my sessions even against the better known wrestlers. Only women like Helen von Mott, were able to beat me. Nowadays a lot more women can hand me my ass, also because I am an old fart now.

So has the level gone down? No, I'd say the level has gone up. It's just that there is a lot more fish in these now, so on average the level has gone down because the amount os session providers with less skills has relatively gone up.
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Old 28-May-23, 15:04
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Default Re: Quality of session wrestlers have gone way down?

One big difference is, in the 80s/90s, a woman who wanted to compete in bodybuilding and live in the gym didn't have many options other than mixed wrestling/muscle worship..

Now, any female athlete who can build a fanbase can do online PT, sell courses, affiliate marketing, OnlyFans .. And with social media is a risk that doing any 1-to-1 sex work gets exposed publicly.

So there'd have been an era when girls like Vivi Winkler and Dani Speegle would've most likely gone into session work to pay the bills, and would've taken some wrestling classes .. And off season female bodybuilders – with perfect skin and physiques – trained in freestyle wrestling, are obviously going to be the perfect session girls .. They'll be more physical, more power, big quads .. But it was pretty confined to the US .. I remember the UK/Europe hardly had any options .. Big difference now is you can sign up to a BJJ class anywhere and get dominated by a girl for free.
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Old 28-May-23, 16:29
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Now, any female athlete who can build a fanbase can do online PT, sell courses, affiliate marketing, OnlyFans
Nothing to do with fitness. Everyone is scamming everyone with courses on airbnb (selling spreadsheets they made in 20 minutes for $2k), real estate, crypto. All a ZIRP effect.

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So there'd have been an era when girls like Vivi Winkler and Dani Speegle would've most likely gone into session work to pay the bills, and would've taken some wrestling classes
Yikes. Speegle is legit. If it weren't crossfit, she would have excelled in something else 40 years ago. Cameras existed. Your post just screams "I hate women."

Anyway, don't think this is about the 80s, the amount of great new talent coming into the scene has slowed down tremendously, and a bunch of the great talent has left. A lot of the great talent today is the same folks as from 2015. In another 10 years, many of them will likely have retired. You can point to the usual suspects for reasons: ZIRP, OF, IG, controlling boyfriends, creepy guys who scare the women off, etc.
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TBH I think a lot of people's mindsets are evolving away from this stuff. This fetish is largely built on the shock and awe of losing to a woman... It's true that it's rooted in misogyny for most.

But attitudes are changing. There are now more women working out than ever before. It's now basically normalised. There is no longer the great awe and fascination of a woman stepping into the "man's domain" of a weight room or combat sports gym like there was with people like Cory Everson, Cynthia Rothrock, and some of the early MMA pioneers like Debi Purcell. No longer the great mental conflict of liking it or not liking. The hang-ups over whether she could beat you... With the abundance of examples of females mopping the mats and strangling males in competitive grappling, younger generations attitudes have mellowed and older generations it is largely dissipating, playing itself out.

A lot of men - especially younger men - are fully accepting of it and apathetic; they just don't care if a girls wants to work out and have bigger, stronger muscles while they play video games.

You now have much more crossover in schools where girls are sports jocks and boys are creative and artsy. There is statistical evidence to back this up; boys sports participation is declining while girls' is growing... Parents are encouraging it. Encouraging boys to be more feminine and girls to be more traditionally masculine. Gender doesn't matter. Gender is a social construct.

Girls are impressing boys by being more sportive and physically strong as well as academically successful and career-orientated. It's important to note there is no great fetish element, it's just how the dynamic is changing. How the modern world is evolving.

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Old 28-May-23, 17:46
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Default Re: Quality of session wrestlers have gone way down?

Can you point to your statistical evidence? There are ~25-100 million "young" people in America alone, depending on what young means, and many opportunities to do whatever you want. Some, both male and female, will pursue sports. Others will pursue video games or reading books or whatever else. Small percentages will pursue any one particular hobby, but there is still a ton of demand on an absolute basis when the denominator is so large.
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TBH I think a lot of people's mindsets are evolving away from this stuff. This fetish is largely built on the shock and awe of losing to a woman... It's true that it's rooted in misogyny for most.

But attitudes are changing. There are now more women working out than ever before. It's now basically normalised. There is no longer the great awe and fascination of a woman stepping into the "man's domain" of a weight room or combat sports gym like there was with people like Cory Everson, Cynthia Rothrock, and some of the early MMA pioneers like Debi Purcell. No longer the great mental conflict of liking it or not liking. The hang-ups over whether she could beat you... With the abundance of examples of females mopping the mats and strangling males in competitive grappling, younger generations attitudes have mellowed and older generations it is largely dissipating, playing itself out.

A lot of men - especially younger men - are fully accepting of it and apathetic; they just don't care if a girls wants to work out and have bigger, stronger muscles while they play video games.

You now have much more crossover in schools where girls are sports jocks and boys are creative and artsy. There is statistical evidence to back this up; boys sports participation is declining while girls' is growing... Parents are encouraging it. Encouraging boys to be more feminine and girls to be more traditionally masculine. Gender doesn't matter. Gender is a social construct.

Girls are impressing boys by being more sportive and physically strong as well as academically successful and career-orientated. It's important to note there is no great fetish element, it's just how the dynamic is changing. How the modern world is evolving.
Yea this is all BS lol
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