SessionGirls/ Women On Fire Exclusive Wrestling Event... LAS VEGAS!

[perpetuallylate2]

Man I hate to see this because tbh, these types of matches are my favorite to watch.

You absolutely can do competitive size mismatches safely. Fight Pulse does it frequently. Doom Maidens and Fighting Dolls have also done it pretty regularly, among others. I've even done it via custom. I ordered a match between Mistress Kara (who is 5'7 ~165) and a gymnast who was 4'9 and about 90 lbs. Turned out great.

But you need to have good communication, to establish clear rules to protect the participants, and to ensure those rules are followed. Also, it generally doesn't matter as much how well trained the small girl is, but you absolutely want to ensure the big girl has a good amount of experience because you want to make sure she has sufficient body control to not spaz out and hurt her much smaller opponent. Not saying that's what happened here because I haven't seen the match, but just offering some general guidelines for how this type of match can be put together safely.

Regardless of weight differential, allowing standing is pretty much never a good idea. Not sure what led to that in the clip Skylar posted or if it's something they agreed was ok beforehand, but it greatly increases the risk of injury in my experience. Unfortunately, sometimes the smaller woman will do that in these situations to try to neutralize the size difference, which is frustrating. Not saying Ziva did that here because, again, I haven't seen the match. But just another guideline that I think needs to be enforced in order to do these matches safely.

[bernie1212]

I am just going to post the facts that I know. I was at the event but not in that room when that match was happening. Though Jennifer was the host/organizer of the event, these matches where all paid for by producers or individual sponsers for matches. Any and all of these matches could have been declined by the participants at any time prior to or during the event. All athletes where asked to sign liability waivers prior to participating in the event and fully knew that the potential for things happening existed. From what I have been told (from athletes, producers, etc.) all of the matches that took place during the after party (when this match in question was held) where supposed to fantasy unless something more was agreed upon by the participants, thus no need for a referee or anything else. Security had other things they where paying attention too, and quite honestly the room that match took place in was tiny, the mat took up probably half of the available floor space, if not more. I am sure there was at least a half a dozen spectators and no one seemed compelled to step in.

Again I was not directly involved in the match in any way, and I was not ring side for it (I avoided that room as it was tiny and hot). Things happen, people go too hard at times. You had two athletes who have been in this game a bit, a camera person and a producer/sponser that would have directly involved in the match.

That twitter thread is wild, I do not take sides of the he said, she said stuff. Again, I was not in the room, and I am sure no one in there was wanting to step in and intervene as these women are both acting and fighting sometimes that line is impossible to tell.

It is a tough situation. I was not going to reply at all but I see a lot of missinformation in places and a lot of finger pointing from people who where not there. It is a crap situation.

[WStreet316]

Originally Posted by bernie1212 [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

I am just going to post the facts that I know. I was at the event but not in that room when that match was happening. Though Jennifer was the host/organizer of the event, these matches where all paid for by producers or individual sponsers for matches. Any and all of these matches could have been declined by the participants at any time prior to or during the event. All athletes where asked to sign liability waivers prior to participating in the event and fully knew that the potential for things happening existed. From what I have been told (from athletes, producers, etc.) all of the matches that took place during the after party (when this match in question was held) where supposed to fantasy unless something more was agreed upon by the participants, thus no need for a referee or anything else. Security had other things they where paying attention too, and quite honestly the room that match took place in was tiny, the mat took up probably half of the available floor space, if not more. I am sure there was at least a half a dozen spectators and no one seemed compelled to step in.

Again I was not directly involved in the match in any way, and I was not ring side for it (I avoided that room as it was tiny and hot). Things happen, people go too hard at times. You had two athletes who have been in this game a bit, a camera person and a producer/sponser that would have directly involved in the match.

That twitter thread is wild, I do not take sides of the he said, she said stuff. Again, I was not in the room, and I am sure no one in there was wanting to step in and intervene as these women are both acting and fighting sometimes that line is impossible to tell.

It is a tough situation. I was not going to reply at all but I see a lot of missinformation in places and a lot of finger pointing from people who where not there. It is a crap situation.

I appreciate your reply but I feel that it is only fair that Jennifer address this herself. Regarding your statement about matches at the After Party were supposed to be fantasy, what happened in this match was far from fantasy. It lends credence to the argument that this match should have been stopped. Also, Skylar Rene was in the twitter thread making a point to criticize Ziva's behavior. If she was so concerned about Ziva's behavior, why didn't she intervene and stop it?

[uxiel]

Because the social costs of taking action if it does turn out to be nothing are high and she's friends with Tempest, not Ziva. Plus "not my job" (which it isn't).

[robbylamato]

Is the video of this match posted and available for purchase anywhere by chance?

[NeoBasilisk]

Man, I'd love to attend one of these. I did go to a couple of the Femwin ones back in 2014-2015 and had a great time.

[John Malkovis]

Why they've stopped to made their contenents or share their old clips? There's no way for contacting that stuff today? Femwin or Fight pulse?

[Wrestlingguy2121]

Originally Posted by WStreet316 [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

The event may have been an overall success but there was one specific match that caught my attention due to twitter posts after the event. Ziva Fey, who is listed at 105 lbs. on her sessiongirls page and has a TKD (not grappling) background was booked in a match with Tempest Luxx who is listed at 165 lbs. on her sessiongirls page. Ziva tweeted this on Sunday: [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

In replies to that tweet, Skylar stated that the problems were Ziva's fault and included this 9 second clip of the match: [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

From what I can tell in that clip, Tempest Luxx, planted Ziva Fey to the mat, driving her down with her full weight on top of her. Given the huge weight disparity of the participants, if someone with a similar weight disparity were to perform the same move to Tempest Luxx, they would have to weigh almost 260 lbs.

The one thing that both parties can agree on is that this match got out of hand. Since that is the case, why wasn't anything done by the event coordinators? IMO, the match should have been stopped as soon as things started getting out of hand.

This is the main thing I always preach when it comes to competitive wrestling matches. If you know your opponent is like twice your size don’t be shocked when they toss you around like a ragdoll. Now, if you’re skilled enough to take down larger opponents, sure, but if you’re not a consistent competitive wrestler, you’re more than likely going to end up hurt. I’ve wrestled plenty of women that were bigger than me, the same size as me, and some even smaller, but I only wrestle women who have a lot of experience at competitively wrestling men.