Do you think women lose attraction if they beat you?

[Dspruce]

Originally Posted by gamerober90 [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

Something that has entered my mind, perhaps a product of my overthinking, but it is food for thought.

I've wrestled women that I've been intimate with, whether it was fuck buddies, gfs, etc. Never really came close to losing, however I have sometimes contemplated whether I should pretend to lose - benefit of this is that I have an easy excuse to get myself into nice holds (scissors etc) and to see her reaction. However I do wonder whether they would be less attracted if they were under the belief that they genuienly beat me.

I believe many of the women I've dated have been attracted to me because I'm taller/bigger, they've said they see me as a protector. Which I think is a common thing in many relationships and just basic evolutionary biology. But if one were to feign losing (or genuinely lose), would this lower her attraction?

Thoughts?

With some women it would, with other women it would not.

[Ryan Futuristics]

Originally Posted by gamerober90 [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

Something that has entered my mind, perhaps a product of my overthinking, but it is food for thought.

I've wrestled women that I've been intimate with, whether it was fuck buddies, gfs, etc. Never really came close to losing, however I have sometimes contemplated whether I should pretend to lose - benefit of this is that I have an easy excuse to get myself into nice holds (scissors etc) and to see her reaction. However I do wonder whether they would be less attracted if they were under the belief that they genuienly beat me.

I believe many of the women I've dated have been attracted to me because I'm taller/bigger, they've said they see me as a protector. Which I think is a common thing in many relationships and just basic evolutionary biology. But if one were to feign losing (or genuinely lose), would this lower her attraction?

Thoughts?

Back to this, I'd say it's the norm to let a girl win .. If a guy's wrestling his girlfriend, and taking it too seriously, that can obviously look weak and insecure – and a girl will usually assume you're letting her win.

I think there's a pretty fine line where a girl will sense that you're trying, and that she's winning – and that might be if she senses panic or shame from you .. If you're letting her win and enjoying it, that's probably the most alpha thing you can do .. You can always turn the tables to let her know who's boss when you want to.

Not sure how representative my wife is but for her it really depends on the particular guy and their relationship with her and how she views them, whether attracted more mentally or physically and if she sees them as someone who should be able to take her physically in terms of if she loses attractiveness beating a guy.

I can’t and could never beat her wrestling but she doesn’t think any less of me as she thinks she would easily beat the vast majority of men and truthfully she has a much superior skill set than me in wrestling or pretty much any sort of combat match. She appreciates that I respect and fully admit she is much better and she thought it was cute and endearing that I trained and worked out to try and beat her and still never can. Even though I am slightly bigger than her the dynamic is sort of a role reversal where in wrestling she thinks she is supposed to win and it is just natural she would beat me and it is almost like if she was the bigger husband who was playfully taking on the smaller wife where they both know who is stronger and more athletic and could end the match when they want but it is just fun to take on your spouse and make it a physical contest that will turn into a sexual conquest.

That being said, when she was a teenager she dated a guy who was an athletic and physical specimen who was doing martial arts training and she was attracted to his fit and muscular body and she thought he was a badass and it was more about that then a mental connection. She challenged him to a fight as she thought it would be hot to feel his physical abilities and frankly she gets sort of turned on by the idea of both receiving and giving pain and the adrenaline of fighting and was excited that she could go all out and not hold back and he would be able to subdue her and she was almost looking forward to him showing her who was boss and feeling his muscles up when he was on top of her from taking her down.

In the fight though he pretty much choked and obviously underestimated her and she got a hard kick in first that probably hit his liver and he sort of crumbled to the ground and went to protect himself as couldn’t get up right away. She told me she basically lost all respect and attractiveness for him in that moment with that kick since he bragged about what a fighter he was and took pride in it and she knew by the feel and sound of the blow and his intense reaction that she had hurt him and that he didn’t look like he was in position to fight back and she could see the shock and fear in his eyes and they both knew this fight was seemingly over in terms of who was going to win and it was likely now just a matter of how bad she was going to beat him at this point and unfortunately for him her instincts were to pounce on him and make sure she kept her dominate position so he had no chance to recover.

She said she instantly got incredibly pissed she wasted time with this guy who was sort of an asshole with her because she was attracted to his strong body and fighter persona and it was sort of shit since he was powerless to stop his girlfriend who he had 50 lbs and 4 years of martial arts training on from lighting his ass up in a fight. She basically lost it and kneed him on after she kicked him to the ground and then got on top and schoolgirl pinned him and grounded and pounded his face and basically beat the living shit out of him as he couldn’t protect himself against her at all at that point and she definitely took it too far both physically hurting him and emotionally shit talking him about how his pretty blonde little girlfriend was the tougher and better fighter and other things she did to rub it in that I am not going to mention.

It would make me uncomfortable when this guy would come up as she always shit talked him and called him pathetic and a loser as it wasn't like I didn't lose to her everytime. I actually thought that was a little unfair to him as she fought and wrestled her older brothers constantly growing up and he sort of did more training than actual fights, so she actually had more experience in a real fight than he did and she didn’t really tell him how much experience she had and that it was something she was incredibly talented at.

Part of me would think if she respects me less and shit talks me because she wins all our wresting matches but it literally does not impact her opinion of me at all that I can tell that she can kick my ass whenever she wants and I can't do shit about it as she just thought about us in completely different terms since she feels this other guy should have beat her based on how his high level of strength and skill and to view yourself as a fighter and to lose so bad to her was pathetic but she doesn’t think that I should be able to win against her so there is zero shame or anything not masculine in the fact that I can't beat her.. So that she is obviously physically dominant is not something that enters her mind about her perception of me and in terms of thinking any less or more of me and our relationship.

I messed around and dated some other athletic girls but frankly I won all the wrestling matches against them so don’t have direct experience with losing to other woman and if that would change how they attracted they are to you but from my experience women tend to have more complicated relationship views where they can compartmentalize what they like or don’t like about certain guys so wouldn’t be surprised if there were other woman who had crazy wrestling or fighting abilities like her who it really depends on the guy that are with on how they feel about beating them and whether that impacts their attractiveness to them.

[gamerober90]

Originally Posted by haymaker [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

Not sure how representative my wife is but for her it really depends on the particular guy and their relationship with her and how she views them, whether attracted more mentally or physically and if she sees them as someone who should be able to take her physically in terms of if she loses attractiveness beating a guy.

I can’t and could never beat her wrestling but she doesn’t think any less of me as she thinks she would easily beat the vast majority of men and truthfully she has a much superior skill set than me in wrestling or pretty much any sort of combat match. She appreciates that I respect and fully admit she is much better and she thought it was cute and endearing that I trained and worked out to try and beat her and still never can. Even though I am slightly bigger than her the dynamic is sort of a role reversal where in wrestling she thinks she is supposed to win and it is just natural she would beat me and it is almost like if she was the bigger husband who was playfully taking on the smaller wife where they both know who is stronger and more athletic and could end the match when they want but it is just fun to take on your spouse and make it a physical contest that will turn into a sexual conquest.

That being said, when she was a teenager she dated a guy who was an athletic and physical specimen who was doing martial arts training and she was attracted to his fit and muscular body and she thought he was a badass and it was more about that then a mental connection. She challenged him to a fight as she thought it would be hot to feel his physical abilities and frankly she gets sort of turned on by the idea of both receiving and giving pain and the adrenaline of fighting and was excited that she could go all out and not hold back and he would be able to subdue her and she was almost looking forward to him showing her who was boss and feeling his muscles up when he was on top of her from taking her down.

In the fight though he pretty much choked and obviously underestimated her and she got a hard kick in first that probably hit his liver and he sort of crumbled to the ground and went to protect himself as couldn’t get up right away. She told me she basically lost all respect and attractiveness for him in that moment with that kick since he bragged about what a fighter he was and took pride in it and she knew by the feel and sound of the blow and his intense reaction that she had hurt him and that he didn’t look like he was in position to fight back and she could see the shock and fear in his eyes and they both knew this fight was seemingly over in terms of who was going to win and it was likely now just a matter of how bad she was going to beat him at this point and unfortunately for him her instincts were to pounce on him and make sure she kept her dominate position so he had no chance to recover.

She said she instantly got incredibly pissed she wasted time with this guy who was sort of an asshole with her because she was attracted to his strong body and fighter persona and it was sort of shit since he was powerless to stop his girlfriend who he had 50 lbs and 4 years of martial arts training on from lighting his ass up in a fight. She basically lost it and kneed him on after she kicked him to the ground and then got on top and schoolgirl pinned him and grounded and pounded his face and basically beat the living shit out of him as he couldn’t protect himself against her at all at that point and she definitely took it too far both physically hurting him and emotionally shit talking him about how his pretty blonde little girlfriend was the tougher and better fighter and other things she did to rub it in that I am not going to mention.

It would make me uncomfortable when this guy would come up as she always shit talked him and called him pathetic and a loser as it wasn't like I didn't lose to her everytime. I actually thought that was a little unfair to him as she fought and wrestled her older brothers constantly growing up and he sort of did more training than actual fights, so she actually had more experience in a real fight than he did and she didn’t really tell him how much experience she had and that it was something she was incredibly talented at.

Part of me would think if she respects me less and shit talks me because she wins all our wresting matches but it literally does not impact her opinion of me at all that I can tell that she can kick my ass whenever she wants and I can't do shit about it as she just thought about us in completely different terms since she feels this other guy should have beat her based on how his high level of strength and skill and to view yourself as a fighter and to lose so bad to her was pathetic but she doesn’t think that I should be able to win against her so there is zero shame or anything not masculine in the fact that I can't beat her.. So that she is obviously physically dominant is not something that enters her mind about her perception of me and in terms of thinking any less or more of me and our relationship.

I messed around and dated some other athletic girls but frankly I won all the wrestling matches against them so don’t have direct experience with losing to other woman and if that would change how they attracted they are to you but from my experience women tend to have more complicated relationship views where they can compartmentalize what they like or don’t like about certain guys so wouldn’t be surprised if there were other woman who had crazy wrestling or fighting abilities like her who it really depends on the guy that are with on how they feel about beating them and whether that impacts their attractiveness to them.

Why can she beat the vast majority of men? Is she trained?

Originally Posted by gamerober90 [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

Why can she beat the vast majority of men? Is she trained?

She works out about 2 hours a day and is in ridiculous shape. Her upper body is basically as strong as a man and her lower body is stronger than most any man I see at the gym when she lifts. Here is a pic that gives you a good indication what kind of shape she in and that she has unusual strength for a woman.

She just has good attributes for wrestling, she is also really flexible and has tremendous stamina and quickness. Basically she can stalemate most guys with strength and then she wears them down.

As I mentioned she wrestled her brothers constantly growing up so it is just super natural to her and she instinctually can counter moves to try and submit or pin her so I never had any luck doing so.

I have never actually all out fought her as we stick to wrestling since a fight with her would be way too dangerous, she has mentioned wanting to do and show off to me but I have told her no. I have seen her do kickboxing as she took classes doing that and I admit would be way too scared to even think about as 0% chance I wouldn’t get my ass beat.

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Originally Posted by haymaker [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

She works out about 2 hours a day and is in ridiculous shape. Her upper body is basically as strong as a man and her lower body is stronger than most any man I see at the gym when she lifts. Here is a pic that gives you a good indication what kind of shape she in and that she has unusual strength for a woman.

She just has good attributes for wrestling, she is also really flexible and has tremendous stamina and quickness. Basically she can stalemate most guys with strength and then she wears them down.

As I mentioned she wrestled her brothers constantly growing up so it is just super natural to her and she instinctually can counter moves to try and submit or pin her so I never had any luck doing so.

I have never actually all out fought her as we stick to wrestling since a fight with her would be way too dangerous, she has mentioned wanting to do and show off to me but I have told her no. I have seen her do kickboxing as she took classes doing that and I admit would be way too scared to even think about as 0% chance I wouldn’t get my ass beat.

What are her upper and lower body lifts?

[fvsfforever]

Originally Posted by haymaker [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

She works out about 2 hours a day and is in ridiculous shape. Her upper body is basically as strong as a man and her lower body is stronger than most any man I see at the gym when she lifts. Here is a pic that gives you a good indication what kind of shape she in and that she has unusual strength for a woman.

She just has good attributes for wrestling, she is also really flexible and has tremendous stamina and quickness. Basically she can stalemate most guys with strength and then she wears them down.

As I mentioned she wrestled her brothers constantly growing up so it is just super natural to her and she instinctually can counter moves to try and submit or pin her so I never had any luck doing so.

I have never actually all out fought her as we stick to wrestling since a fight with her would be way too dangerous, she has mentioned wanting to do and show off to me but I have told her no. I have seen her do kickboxing as she took classes doing that and I admit would be way too scared to even think about as 0% chance I wouldn’t get my ass beat.

She is getting bigger and bigger. Still the stories though seem to push the envelope, especially vs. BB and Martial Arts people. She sounds awfully sadistic.

Originally Posted by gamerober90 [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

What are her upper and lower body lifts?

At the gym we kind of pretend we don't know each other as she doesn't like to bothered when working out as takes it seriously and truthfully I get a serious hard on if I watch her work out. Also, she just tells me how to correct my form when she sees me do exercises and it kind of annoys me. So these are basically what I see her do and the amounts from when I use the machine after her.

Deadlift and squat she does sets of 300lb. She does use wrist guards for the deadlifts as her wrist basically can't hold as heavy a weight as she can do based on the strength in the rest of her body. I can do like a max of 300 for the deadlift, so basically one rep. so she does tend to be stronger than me on these whole body exercises.

For arms she does sets of either 40-45 on bicep curls and 100lb on barbell curls. I don't know what she benches as she tends to not like it and does more sort of yoga strength moves for her chest.

For leg press her standard set is 675lb, she does a lot of cardio though for legs as her legs as she just feels her legs are already really strong and likes the look she gets on them from hard cardio more than lifting. She will basically go hard on the stair climber for like 30 minutes but she never looks tired when she does it which I don't really understand.

She does the hip abductor machine but at the gym that only goes to like 295lb and she can do like 50 of those so have no idea what her weight with that would actually be.

She does cable rows too and usually a 160lb set. She does a lot of more yoga stuff for back and stomach as she find that more functional and she does have a really strong back and core.

Originally Posted by fvsfforever [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

She is getting bigger and bigger. Still the stories though seem to push the envelope, especially vs. BB and Martial Arts people. She sounds awfully sadistic.

She was 16 when that happened, she had a lot of anger then. Even though she is physically stronger now, I am not sure she could do something like that now as she had no regard for her safety or his and would probably be more prudent now then to try and take on a guy who could have really hurt her. She can be sadistic when she gets mad and definitely has some psychological issues which is partly how she can do physical things most women can’t but she has learned to sort of control these impulses over time.

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"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."

-Socrates-

I won´t waste another second with the likes of you.

I don't know what I did to piss you off, but please just put me on ignore. I imagine this site has that option.

Ignore all my posts and we'll get along fine.

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Originally Posted by gamerober90 [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

Women can be happily married to submissive chumps, but that doesn't mean they lust over those guys the same way they would some muscular dominant alpha male.

I think it depends on the woman. I've known more than a few women who are intensely attracted to skinny rock-musician types. Hardly alpha males, but that's what they found attractive.

I knew a guy who was 5'4, but he was very handsome I guess, in a cute kind of way, I don't know what it was. He was a nice guy, not rich, and a close friend. He could get women like crazy. Tall pretty women. He always had a stunning girlfriend.

Maybe a majority of women like the big alpha male muscular types, but there are other types of men who get a lot of attention. I've seen it. I've lived a long time and I've been jealous of a wide variety of men, not just 6'4 musclar types.