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Old 28-Jun-20, 15:22
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And by leaning the other side he can't drag her with him.

And she can get the back.

Trap and roll works great but this seems risky.



He takes her with him by trapping her leg and pinning her base against him — as he demonstrates.

Leaning means nothing if he controls the bulk of her body mass — which he does by trapping her leg and pinning her base against him
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Old 28-Jun-20, 18:07
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He takes her with him by trapping her leg and pinning her base against him — as he demonstrates.

Leaning means nothing if he controls the bulk of her body mass — which he does by trapping her leg and pinning her base against him

To me it seems unreliable and she has enough options to loosen her leg enough or lean away to avoid getting draged over.

A key point of Danaher is also that if you are past the elbow you can take the back.
The JKD guy basically moves his own elbow past her center line and seemingly places himself in peril.

However I might be wrong.
Not much options to test this online.
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Old 28-Jun-20, 18:44
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To me it seems unreliable and she has enough options to loosen her leg enough or lean away to avoid getting draged over.

A key point of Danaher is also that if you are past the elbow you can take the back.
The JKD guy basically moves his own elbow past her center line and seemingly places himself in peril.

However I might be wrong.
Not much options to test this online.


Having used traps, it works because you control their base.

That's the safeguard against the person taking your back or whatever.

In the vid, the teacher uses his elbow and shoulder to help pin her base in one spot
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Old 28-Jun-20, 18:58
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Having used traps, it works because you control their base.

That's the safeguard against the person taking your back or whatever.

In the vid, the teacher uses his elbow and shoulder to help pin her base in one spot
It seems he is just controlling her leg. She can still lean heavily with her upper body to the other side and post her hands out.
And it seems unlikely she can't yank her leg free.
Clamping something between your ribs and elbow is not that powerfull, compared to overhooking an arm or grabbing a sleeve which you use for regular trap and roll stuff.

It seems weird and gets her behind the elbow.
But then again I might be wrong.
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Old 28-Jun-20, 19:10
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It seems he is just controlling her leg. She can still lean heavily with her upper body to the other side and post her hands out.
And it seems unlikely she can't yank her leg free.
Clamping something between your ribs and elbow is not that powerfull, compared to overhooking an arm or grabbing a sleeve which you use for regular trap and roll stuff.

It seems weird and gets her behind the elbow.
But then again I might be wrong.


It's using your shoulder, arm and a leg that is looped over hers.

Pinning her leg and hip in place prevents leaning, taking the back or whatever.

You're not holding it a long time ... just enough to bridge over

You're right that we can't test it. I'm a believer because I've used variations of this

Obviously, you're free to disagree
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Old 28-Jun-20, 22:20
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It's using your shoulder, arm and a leg that is looped over hers.

Pinning her leg and hip in place prevents leaning, taking the back or whatever.

You're not holding it a long time ... just enough to bridge over

You're right that we can't test it. I'm a believer because I've used variations of this

Obviously, you're free to disagree
It seems strange to me but perhaps I am wrong.
Either way I think high mount is not a good position to be stuck under.

Would be interesting to mount you and see if you could escape
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It seems strange to me but perhaps I am wrong.
Either way I think high mount is not a good position to be stuck under.

Would be interesting to mount you and see if you could escape
Since it's related with the main theme of the forum, it may be interest you to know that I was completely unable to escape from Antscha's high mount. XD
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Old 28-Jun-20, 22:30
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Since it's related with the main theme of the forum, it may be interest you to know that I was completely unable to escape from Antscha's high mount. XD
Was that while wearing a gi?
Did she attacked you with subs while doing so?

Did you try to go belly down?
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Old 29-Jun-20, 00:20
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It seems strange to me but perhaps I am wrong.
Either way I think high mount is not a good position to be stuck under.

Would be interesting to mount you and see if you could escape


I don’t pretend to be an expert grappler.

It’s just something that works for me
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Old 29-Jun-20, 00:50
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Was that while wearing a gi?
Did she attacked you with subs while doing so?

Did you try to go belly down?
We were not wearing a gi.
At first I bridged to try push her north but to no avail.
Then I tried to use the backdoor escape/scorpion pullback were you slide you feet under her armpits and push at her torso to either push her away or slide underneath her, but she grabbed my ankles and pushed my feet towards my face completely stacking me.
I tapped to the spinal compression.
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