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Old 30-Apr-17, 23:15
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Default Re: Fighting in the water, women drowning men

Interesting discussion point, what I remember of live saving technique is that the person who takes the other persons back really has the control. And being in the water somewhat neutralizes a strength advantage unless you were able to deliver a couple of heavy blows that knocked the opponent out or stunned them. As you mentioned from your childhood experience quickness and agility can be lethal. Then there's the stamina, a wise opponent would bait you into wasting what little energy you have, and in under a minute of thrashing around you'd likely be helpless unless you trained specifically for that of type of fighting. I can hold my breath for a long time in ideal conditions but that goes out the window when someone is forcing you under and you are exhausted and panicking.

Earlier you mentioned water polo players, my guess is a female water polo player who plays D1 college level or Olympic level would be an absolute nightmare to try and fight in a pool, especially in deep water.

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Old 01-May-17, 00:08
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Interesting discussion point, what I remember of live saving technique is that the person who takes the other persons back really has the control. And being in the water somewhat neutralizes a strength advantage unless you were able to deliver a couple of heavy blows that knocked the opponent out or stunned them. As you mentioned from your childhood experience quickness and agility can be lethal. Then there's the stamina, a wise opponent would bait you into wasting what little energy you have, and in under a minute of thrashing around you'd likely be helpless unless you trained specifically for that of type of fighting. I can hold my breath for a long time in ideal conditions but that goes out the window when someone is forcing you under and you are exhausted and panicking.
My punches wouldn't be nearly as strong in the water because I wouldn't be able to rotate the body properly and put real force into it. It would just be what they call "arm-punching" which can hurt people a bit but it doesn't have KO power behind it. I think sticking out your hand and trying to poke your opponent in the eyes to distract him/her would be more effective in such situation and a tall woman with long arms could do that to me easier than I would be able to do the same to her if it was some life and death situation where she wanted to drown me for real and we fought dirty with everything we had. I think the girl that beat me in the pool kind of pushed my face away with her hand to distract me and then she got my back somehow, I don't remember all the details, it happened really fast.

Another thing I remember from wrestling with girls in the water in my youth was how hard it was to really take a hold of them, it's just too slippery and if they were really fast they could duck down under water or swim away and try to sneak behind you. What I remember the most is that it was almost always frustrating to "fight" them and there were many times when they were clearly getting the better of me. Even when I "won" I had to work hard for it.

I wonder why this kind of battles aren't more popular in the mixed wrestling community, I guess most people just didn't have these experiences. It was quite popular to wrestle in the water like this with girls and trying to dunk them where and when I was growing up. Maybe because it's in the water people don't consider it like a real fight but I still think it is, I could think of several scenarios where a fight could start or end in the water. Like we figured out in this debate deep water takes a lot of natural male advantages away and makes it more even and unpredictable like I realized in my experience where I got clearly beaten by a girl who would otherwise have hardly any chance at all. And also the feeling of being drowned when the girl takes control is so humiliating and exciting at the same time.

I really look forward to getting some tall athletic girl to wrestle me in the water, I'm actually surprised that I haven't got this idea before but I guess I was just too overconfident that at this point I would win easily so it wouldn't be exciting anymore like it used to be in my youth but after this discussion I'm not so sure anymore. I think while my body type and physique is great for real wrestling it's terrible for wrestling and fighting in the water. I'm also a horrible swimmer as well and that should probably play a part as well.

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Earlier you mentioned water polo players, my guess is a female water polo player who plays D1 college level or Olympic level would be an absolute nightmare to try and fight in a pool, especially in deep water.
Did you look at the videos of the water polo girls I posted? Here are some more:
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Here's a video of women water polo players fighting dirty under the water:
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Looking at how athletic these girls are and knowing that being in the water is probably like a second nature to them I honestly don't think that I would be able to beat them in deep water. Also they seem to know a lot of dirty tricks and would distract me with something and then just drag me down. It's quite humbling to realize that there are women untrained in combat sports who could most likely beat me (despite me being a 200lbs+ training combat sports and in shape), albeit in specific setting but that's still a fight IMO.

I mean if I was at some public swimming pool and one of those women stole something from me and jumped in the deep water and provoked me to come and get it there wouldn't be anything I could do about it unless I wanted to become her bitch and end up begging her to stop drowning me. With the experience I had in my youth I honestly have no confidence that I would be able to resist a tall athletic woman water polo player (like the ones in the video) yet alone beat her in the water.

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Here's a classic video of a woman assassin drowning a man from some TV series.

Once she's behind his back and wrapped around him he's completely helpless. I know how that feels like since that was what that tall girl who beat me in our fight in the pool did to me and controlled me from then on, there's hardly anything you can do about it at that point, even if you have weight and strength advantage. Even conventional grappling skills don't help because it's just totally different in the water and the feeling of being drowned and trapped just overcomes you with fear.
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Here's a classic video of a woman assassin drowning a man from some TV series.

Once she's behind his back and wrapped around him he's completely helpless. I know how that feels like since that was what that tall girl who beat me in our fight in the pool did to me and controlled me from then on, there's hardly anything you can do about it at that point, even if you have weight and strength advantage. Even conventional grappling skills don't help because it's just totally different in the water and the feeling of being drowned and trapped just overcomes you with fear.
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Here's a nice female vs female video of drowning and domination in the water:

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Default Re: Fighting in the water, women drowning men

Many times a woman is riding on guy's shoulders in the water.
I wonder if she can take advantage from this position by tightening her thighs around his neck and drowning him. I can think of a great game where the guy tries to throw the woman off him and she's trying to stay on his shoulders as long as she can and drowns him...
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Woman drowns a man using her legs to protect her son, from a Norwegian film, "The Wave" (Bolgen) (2015). Original post with scene download link by @[Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register] at: [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]
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Eisfieber henchwoman - she is muscular and cute. As I recall, she didn't kill him. She was just convincing him to cooperate

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When very young, I was dating a competitive swimmer and baywatch volunteer. Very strong and sporty girl. I regret that we were never really wrestling in water. In [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register], I described the moment when I fully realized her superiority in water.
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