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Old 20-Sep-15, 17:44
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Default Whats' real cause men losing to women in wrestling / fights?

Well guys,let's get real on this one!

Many videos of grappling/wrestling/jiu jitsu/etc. Showing very popular male "loses" to female....

Yes,it is hot,it is part of fantasies, it is very sexy for many of us,but what really is behind this? (talking genuine competitive matches)

All those who are involved in martial arts/sports of this kind knows that it is not and never equal battles...

Women who are put against man in fighting sports are usually way more experienced and are building their skills always on novices/new coming male members to sport clubs or significantly less experienced male in techniques, skills,often having training and bodyweight advantage.

My friend does MMA long years and she was always honest person and upon my question to her,she revealed to me that this is truth,female members are beginning mostly against female opponents only...The time they are let to compete against male opponents is the time they actually gather enough experience and are only let to compete against very low experienced or not experienced at all male novices, so the do have already a lot skill,techniques advantage,which results in possibility of beating male competitor...

Fights against equally trained male opponents nearly always results in woman losing unless male has been recently injured or is handicapped in some way,regarding to fitness and health...

That's the truth behind
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Old 20-Sep-15, 19:36
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Default Re: Whats' real cause men losing to women in wrestling / fights?

The problem is, you're only talking in averages. Men, on average, have more muscle, faster reflexes, higher lung capacity, etc, but that's not an exclusive advantage for every single male over every single female. Some women have more muscle fibre, bigger bones, higher lung capacity etc than some men.

It's like men, on average, are bigger/taller than women, but you never have to look far to see a man & woman who buck this trend.

Because us humans are visual creatures, we tend to be ignorant of things we can't see. We make false assumptions.

There's as much disparity among genders as there is between them.

To cut to the chase, it's all about the individual.

Elite women, in any sport, can beat non-elite men. Look at sports where data - time, weight, distance, etc - can be observed for proof of this. There always comes the point where the elite women are just plain better than the non-elite men.

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Old 20-Sep-15, 21:03
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Default Re: Whats' real cause men losing to women in wrestling / fights?

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Elite women, in any sport, can beat non-elite men.
Arguable. If to talk about fight sports, elite women can beat some non-elite men, that's more precise.
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Old 20-Sep-15, 21:14
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The problem is, you're only talking in averages. Men, on average, have more muscle, faster reflexes, higher lung capacity, etc, but that's not an exclusive advantage for every single male over every single female. Some women have more muscle fibre, bigger bones, higher lung capacity etc than some men.

It's like men, on average, are bigger/taller than women, but you never have to look far to see a man & woman who buck this trend.

Because us humans are visual creatures, we tend to be ignorant of things we can't see. We make false assumptions.

There's as much disparity among genders as there is between them.

To cut to the chase, it's all about the individual.

Elite women, in any sport, can beat non-elite men. Look at sports where data - time, weight, distance, etc - can be observed for proof of this. There always comes the point where the elite women are just plain better than the non-elite men.
Reflecting on this,

Talking "in general" can only cover the whole picture of it, that's why word "average" I am finding to be most appropriate...

Of course individual cases could sometimes turn into exceptions, these however doesn't make rules,but minor number of so much talked MYTH of female being stronger or better in full contact sports.

It is an exception only applicable to individual rather very rare cases,where similar woman is able to beat man.

Growing number of variety full contact mixed matches between female and male showing male being "beaten" are taken out of its real background: people often not knowing - these are mostly all covering very experienced "elite female " vs male novices, or way less experienced male counterparts,because that's how are female being trained - on male beginners,that's why sometimes they manage to win.

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Arguable. If to talk about fight sports, elite women can beat some non-elite men, that's more precise.
Really? So you think that there are some every day men who could beat Ronda Rousey in a fight?
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Old 20-Sep-15, 21:34
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Really? So you think that there are some every day men who could beat Ronda Rousey in a fight?
There are A WHOLE LOT of "every day" man who would flatten this lady in real fight.Hundreds of milions of them and without any special training.
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Really? So you think that there are some every day men who could beat Ronda Rousey in a fight?
I know I'd beat her in the "no rules fight" that she says she can beat Mayweather in...all it takes is a little imagination.
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There are A WHOLE LOT of "every day" man who would flatten this lady in real fight.Hundreds of milions of them and without any special training.
Well, yeah, if they attacked her all at the same time.
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Talking "in general" can only cover the whole picture of it, that's why word "average" I am finding to be most appropriate...
It covers PART of it, or begins an equation of what's "more likely". But it is by no means conclusive and applicable to anyone and everyone.

Like I said, there's as much disparity AMONG genders. Just because a very small handful of men can run the 100m in under 10 seconds doesn't mean that logic can be applied to all men. I was never anything more than average at sprinting (but was still far from the worst guy around) but even with a lifetime of training, I doubt I could crack sub 11s. I'm just not athletic enough. Some girls are just plainly more athletic/faster than me.

Local grappling clubs, gyms, etc, host people of hugely varying skills. Some guys may have been at it for years but will never amount to much because their athleticism will never match their enthusiasm. Then you might have a hugely talented/athletic teen girl who comes along and destroys a much more experienced guy. It does happen.
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talented/athletic teen girl who comes along and destroys a much more experienced guy. It does happen.
Yes,but it is very rare and unusuall (in other words, exception)
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