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Re: Session rates are getting out of hand
They have been around 300 for years. I mean, did you expect women to just charge that forever? There are those that still wrestle for around 300.
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It sounds like we're saying something similar on the idea that the girls might be communicating with each other about prices. Though it still seems like for the girl that's a little less attractive and/or a little less skilled or whatever, who can only book two $400 sessions a week, and who has more availability to fill, that she would benefit from lowering her rate to $200 and advertising it on her profile. I don't know how many girls fall into that category, but I'd think some would? I don't see what's stopping a new girl from getting into the scene and saying "I'm going to undercut everyone at $200 a session, and I'm going to book 30 sessions a week". All she needs is a simple web page with a booking form, a way to take paypal payments, and a comprehensive FAQ answering common questions. She doesn't even have to provide an email on her profile, so no wasting time with question askers who don't read her FAQ, and I bet if she only charged $200 she'd still have people lining up provided she was halfway decent. If that scenario were to happen, I think it would only be a matter of time before other girls started lowering their prices too, but these things are always hard to predict. BTW - I really agree with what you said about escorts. It actually makes me sad to see women selling sex for $200 because (presumably) they're unaware of other high paying alternatives. |
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Re: Session rates are getting out of hand
I do not believe that a high price is what is needed to filter the good and the bad customers out. There are some great low income people out there with big loving hearts that would love a session and at the same time there are some very wealthy people out there who are just tyrants. Rich or poor, you are either a fan or not a fan.
I say lower the cost of customs and sessions so that everyone can enjoy them and if you want to tip extra you can. If my custom is good, I am willing to tip a bit more for a good job. And if a session wrestler is reading this, I would happily buy a custom off of you if you can do a good job at a reasonable price. Until then, Hello everyone,lol looks like we are in the same boat. |
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I might add that girls don't charge any more in LA than in Cleveland, despite the cost of living differences (which is reflected in hotel costs, and food). Also, long tours will generally reflect the 80/20 principle. They may get tons of sessions when they visit NY and LA, and Vegas may be alright too. But Chicago is known to be a disappointment, they may waste a night or two in Baltimore and get absolutely nothing. Not too different from many concert tours. You basically have to crush the big cities in order to come out ahead at all. One other expense is baggage fees have gotten insanely high over the years. This can be mitigated with some special airline memberships, but they often take multiple bags with them and fly from city to city to city for several weeks. They need to book that stuff in advance, which is non-refundable (at least pre-COVID), and hope that not too many guys no-show them and they don't lose money on the trip. They are taking on a lot of risk. On top of this, 30 hours a week is a lot, unless it's very short-term, like a tour. You're putting your body through a lot if you workout 30 hours a week. Quote:
You are not entitled to a session. You are paying for her time and company, if she's more of a bodybuilder and not just a regular wrestler, she has a very unique look that takes years to achieve, and very few people can compare. Respect her, either pay her rates or don't waste her time, and appreciate that this is usually short-lived. A year or two from now, she may no longer be on the scene. Let's get real, they'll give you a good session if you can pay, but they're interested in higher-income clients who will repeat. They usually ask you how often you session, who else you've met, and so forth. This is partly a proxy for "how much money do you make (or spend)?" I would rather have an amazing $400 session with a woman who's happy than an ok $300 session with someone who's frustrated, getting spammed all day long, is distracted during the session because she has a back-to-back and gets some texts she has to answer about his arrival. But there are also some new girls who charge $400 because she heard she can and just doesn't give a very good session. Girls having some reviews on them before booking can help filter that out. |
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I'm just speculating here, but I wonder if the perception that there's such little demand for session wrestlers is due to a widely held and perhaps false assumption that the only people who have an interest in wrestling women are mixed wrestling fetishists that are familiar with the online scene. It's always important to know your market. At this point I don't have any data, but I do have a sneaking suspicion that there is a large dormant market of men out there who might have an interest in wrestling or sparring with a women, but who are totally turned off by the price point and the overt fetish stigma. These are stupid, but some example's of alternate marketing slogans off the top of my head... "Need a new workout plan? Wrestle with a skilled woman!" "I'm a skilled female fighter who needs guys to practice on!" "Hire a trained woman to kick your husband's butt!" "Hire a trained woman to knock your boyfriend down a peg" "Hire a trained woman for your party or event!" "Could you defend yourself against a skilled woman? Find out!" "Keep your ego in check, test yourself against a trained woman!" I also think it's a mistake to assume that just because a guy only wants to pay $150 for a session that there's a higher probability he'll be violent, creepy, or unwilling to pay. These are simply men who are in the market for a different product. It's like, you might have a fetish for red socks with green polka dots, and you might be willing to pay $100 for the perfect pair of socks of this nature. But the next guy doesn't have a fetish for these socks at all, he just happens to think they look cool. Naturally he won't want to pay $100 for them, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's any less reputable, and if there are 10x guys like this, one can still turn a profit by charging far less than $100 for socks. Just some thoughts! I think this is an interesting topic to speculate on, I wish it weren't so contentious |
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Re: Session rates are getting out of hand
I read your post, and I think rates more or less stay the same because by the time you go over $600 you have very few customers. And if you have enough, you probably know them reasonably well and have no need to advertise on sessiongirls or wb270. Most girls don't session for so many years, so there's not too much time to increase rates either.
If they publicly write "only $300!", some guys may actually think "that's too cheap, I don't want it." People do tend to believe higher price points give you higher quality. In general, there is correlation, but not so much at the extremes. I have a nice $800 couch (can't remember exactly, bought it long ago), and I've seen similar items priced for $2500 or more at "fancy" stores. Someone is buying them, or that store would be out of business. Quote:
But the prices are not quite flat. I know of a couple girls that have been at $300 or $350 for at least 5 years, probably much longer. And others who came in at $350, eventually went up to $400, even went up to $500. Girls get a lot of emails with guys trying to negotiate prices, lots of complaints. They see it as an insult in general (sometimes they'll cut a deal). The unseen part of their work is all the hours training and the rigorous dieting and so forth. I just can't imagine even if I were to be successful in negotiating $400 down to $300 that it wouldn't be an awkward session where she just becomes less enthusiastic during it. If the price is too high, I just politely decline and move on with my life. If my employer told me they wanted to give me a 25% paycut, I would be less likely to smile at work too. For many of the average, or somewhat above average, session girls, I have personally seen:
Grabbing that $300 or $400 or $200/hour is just a lot more work (especially to do so consistently) than putting an ad online and saying "book now." Quote:
At the end of the day, even if they lowered their rates to $100, they'd get more business, absolutely. It still wouldn't be enough on a regular basis to get 6 or 8 or 10 sessions a day, in most cases. They'd be doing way more work, taking on way more risk, for less money. The lower the price point, the more no-show guys you probably get too. And personally for me at my job, I work more or less 40 hours a week, but not all days are the same. Some days are really intense, others are closer to checking-my-email days. If I had to work at 100% (which is what the SGs would be doing if they were doing that many sessions every day) every single day, I would burn out. |
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Re: Session rates are getting out of hand
uxiel A lot of good wholesome people out there in the 95% (probably 99%) would be good long term clients that would make the session wrestler happy if they got a shot at getting a session that they can afford.
And if session wrestlers are not getting many sessions its because they are priced out of the market. When weeding out needs to take place, its not done by separating the rich and the poor in the wrestling world. Its done by separating the time wasters, the creeps, the rude , and the bad with the good, the pleasant, the honest people. Just like when customers separate the good and the bad session wrestlers in their reviews. Now uxiel, if you want a 'real' wrestling match with a 'real' female wrestler, why now book a private lesson with a female jujitsu instructor and be honest with them. Tell them you want to work on your grappling and you would rather wrestler a female. A jujitsu private lesson is as low as 50 bucks. lol just saying that you can find some great women to wrestle with in a honest setting without having to pay 400 bucks. Think about it. Here is what you can get for 400 bucks.... 2 tickets to the rolling stones. 2 tickets to any NFL, NBA, MBL, NHL,MLS, or other sporting event. You can buy a Nintendo or a playstation. When you put it into perspective 400 is a lot of money for just a 1 hour event. As for the session wrestler, they would not hesitate to pick up a ten dollar bill on the ground if they saw one. The best business people are not the ones that only take the big bucks, but also go after the nickles and dimes too. Here is where we can agree though, If you want to pay 400 on a session wrestler,,,,, you can. But if other session wrestlers want to make a lot of money and have a large flock of good customers come to them at the lower rate, then I highly recommend the cost of sessions go down too 175 dollars for a hour. Just like customs for me. Would the session wrestler want a 100 percent of something, or 100 percent of nothing as I give my custom money to a non wrestling company to make my wrestling videos for me. |
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Re: Session rates are getting out of hand
Last time I went to an NFL game, tickets were more like $350/ticket. Add in overpriced food and merch, it becomes quite expensive.
And (most of) these sessions are as memorable to me as NFL games I've gone to. I personally don't listen to mainstream music, so concert tickets are much cheaper for me. Those events are also memorable. It's not about the money. As long as I can comfortably afford it, I'm not going to complain. The jujitsu idea just sounds like a bad idea if you don't want competitive things. This is a fetish scene. No denying the element of sexuality here. They don't care about your money or complaints, because they get as much or more money from $400 price points. If they wanted to lower their prices, they would. I think you're underestimating how hard it would be to get consistent bookings where the guy actually shows up and doesn't waste your time at $175/hour. |
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Uxiel , your doing a session wrestler a favor by saving her time, hotel, and travel costs. Why can't she do sessions at a reduced price when she is in her own city?
You never really answered that. If a session wrestler lives in Vegas for example, and men are constantly coming to Vegas. Why cant a session wrestler downsized her session costs since she has no overhead? When there are travel costs I already mentioned in my first post that 'the rate' put in place to help with travel,time, and hotel costs. No overhead, pass the savings onto the customer. Also why cant there be anything for the little guy? Dominatrix's charge a lot less than a session wrestler and they dont charge the insane rates as a session wrestler. |
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