Age difference in Mixed Wrestling as a humiliation factor

[jiminy]

Originally Posted by Lohengrin [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

I have always had a thing for age differences in mixed wrestling: when I was younger (let's say in my late teens-early 20s) I loved the idea to lose against a younger girl, cause it was terribly humiliating to think that a younger, less experienced girl, could kick my ass due to superior talent or skills. But I loved the idea of losing against an older woman too, because it was equally humiliating to lose against a woman who was old enough to be my mother, and yet she could beat me. But they had to be in their late 40s or early 50s, because a woman in her 30s or early 40s could have the advantage of a major experience while being still relatively young and fit.

Now that those days are passed and I am flying towards the 40th birthday, I have noticed some changes in my fantasy scenarios:
First of all, the idea of losing against a younger girl it's not exciting as it was years back. Maybe because it is not so weird to think that a middle aged man could lose a wrestling match against a younger female athlete (at least a man who is weaker and less trained, I must admit I am above the average).
So...The fantasy of losing against an older woman remains, but of course the women who can fit whith this type of fantasy are very few.

And...While I keep growing old? Now that I am 38 I usually fantasize about wrestling and losing against women who are in the 50-62 age group. Of course, I keep fantasizing about younger girls, but only in a "vanilla fashion".
My fear is that my mixed wrestling fantasy will disappear when I pass the 50s line, when it will be no more credible that an older woman could defeat me.
Of course, mixed wrestling is not my only fantasy...I have always lived a satisfying sex life, but MW it is my only "kink", and it would sadden me to give it up, even when it comes just about personal fantasies and not necessarily a real wrestling activity.

The strange thing is that mixed wrestling between people of the same age was never a thing for me, maybe because it reduced the humiliation factor (it remains the humiliation of losing against the presumed weaker sex, but it is far less incisive than the scenarios I had in mind).
Do someone have the same thing for age difference in mixed wrestling? Or for you the age factor does not matter at all?

I made a similarly themed poll a while back.

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I also think it works both ways. Losing to woman is already "humiliating" enough. Something you wouldn't expect to happen. Her being significantly younger/older, should, on paper, add more confidence to the male. Thus more compounding to a defeat.

I'm similarly aged to you. 39. Turn 40 next year. I try to keep in shape; running, swimming, weight training. But I'm seeing a growing number of people my age basically letting themselves go. Becoming sorry specimens. As I'm getting older, I'm realising just how important and overlooked simple physical fitness, a healthy bodyweight and good mobility is.

A lot of guys don't realise how bad they are and how much toll 20+ years of sedentary living has taken out of them until they embarrass themselves. They don't realise how vulnerable they'd be against a teenage gymnast, dancer, let alone a BJJ girl ...Or a fit 40-50 something female celebrity like Aniston, Lopez or Melanie Chisholm who pays attention to her diet and fitness. Chisholm is 50 next year and judging by the way she's moving and the taught, muscular hardbody she possesses, it's not a stretch that she could school a lot of young men in their supposed "prime" - their 20s - gamer dudes and vegan soy boys let alone the slow, stiff, couch potatoes her own age.

It certainly adds a sting to the dynamic.

[Lohengrin]

Originally Posted by jiminy [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

I made a similarly themed poll a while back.

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I also think it works both ways. Losing to woman is already "humiliating" enough. Something you wouldn't expect to happen. Her being significantly younger/older, should, on paper, add more confidence to the male. Thus more compounding to a defeat.

I'm similarly aged to you. 39. Turn 40 next year. I try to keep in shape; running, swimming, weight training. But I'm seeing a growing number of people my age basically letting themselves go. Becoming sorry specimens. As I'm getting older, I'm realising just how important and overlooked simple physical fitness, a healthy bodyweight and good mobility is.

A lot of guys don't realise how bad they are and how much toll 20+ years of sedentary living has taken out of them until they embarrass themselves. They don't realise how vulnerable they'd be against a teenage gymnast, dancer, let alone a BJJ girl ...Or a fit 40-50 something female celebrity like Aniston, Lopez or Melanie Chisholm who pays attention to her diet and fitness. Chisholm is 50 next year and judging by the way she's moving and the taught, muscular hardbody she possesses, it's not a stretch that she could school a lot of young men in their supposed "prime" - their 20s - gamer dudes and vegan soy boys let alone the slow, stiff, couch potatoes her own age.

It certainly adds a sting to the dynamic.

Thanks for posting your poll here! I just voted "equally appealing", it depends by the age of the boy. Like I said, the "no excuse" factor it changes with the age, when the man he is still young I prefer to see him owned by an even younger girl, when he is a bit older (like in his 30s) but still young I prefer to see him outclassed by a more mature woman. I have already explained the reasons of this switch

The guy who posted before you said that, altough he is 51, he still likes to watch videos of younger guys defeated by older women. I guess that there is a sort of psychological projection in these cases...When I watch those kind of videos I think back about the 20yo version of me...Otherwise I cannot feel inside the jobber's trousers. My limit, maybe. But I wonder about how my MW fantasies will change when I will get older.

Anyway, It is all a "what if" kind of overthinking: I have never experienced a loss against a woman, so it is all about hypothesis (and this is what makes the toughts sexy )
Like you, I have always made sports and mantained a very good shape and strenght. A lot of guys act and talk like they are old scraps at early 30s, that is ridicolous: if you feel like an old scrap at 30 the only one you have to blame is yourself.

[Amiodaron]

Originally Posted by troch [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

Im from Argentina (excuse for mi english), in this moment I practice BJJ no gi (from 6 months ago) Im 51 yo and I session with a escort , brown belt in BJJ, she is 27 yo, we wrestle sensually although with intensity and she enjoys when as time goes by I get tired and she starts talking trash in this way, is very exciting (Im good trained).


My future plan is the older I am, to wrestle with girls as young as possible (of legal age) .


to watch videos I like the age difference, Love see mature milfs (in good for) wrestle with very young boy (weak and skinny) or young girs versus old man (60 yo or more in good condition).

Regards for all group.

Sounds hot! Does she always win? When she wins does she trash talk while pose victory on your defeated body?

[troch]

Originally Posted by Amiodaron [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

Sounds hot! Does she always win? When she wins does she trash talk while pose victory on your defeated body?

My friend, is difficult for she dominate me, I have 20 kgs more than she, but she has more knowledge in BJJ, respect to victory pose really not, we took photos one day (facesitting, triangles) but agreed, I have 3 meetings with her.

[Margaritaville83]

Age isn’t a big deal for me. The younger wrestlers are in much better shape than I am (I am in my early 50’s) whereas, taking on the legends like Kristie Etzold, Hollywood who are around my age is more comparable skill wise…at least for me.

[jiminy]

Originally Posted by Lohengrin [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

Thanks for posting your poll here! I just voted "equally appealing", it depends by the age of the boy. Like I said, the "no excuse" factor it changes with the age, when the man he is still young I prefer to see him owned by an even younger girl, when he is a bit older (like in his 30s) but still young I prefer to see him outclassed by a more mature woman. I have already explained the reasons of this switch

Upon further reflection, I have realised that age gaps feature prominently in the stories I have written. And furthermore, they reflect this same evolution you describe of firstly being into younger female beating older male and then later progressing to older female beating younger male.

The first story I wrote was "Maria Sharapova kicks ass" when I was about 20 years old. Originally posted on DtV site. Sharapova was 17/18 herself, following her 2004 Wimbledon triumph. There was no doubt in my mind that this powerful, 6'2, long-legged teenage girl could put a beating on a much older man and that was incredibly edgy stuff at the time. I then worked on my "Teenage Girl Gang" series which was based on a group of girls I went to school with. I guess it was all just fresher in my mind back then. ...And I was in touch with my youth.

But my more recent stories and fantasies have revolved more around 40-something women beating 20-something men, such as my "martial arts MILF" stories and "Intergender, Interracial Boxing", and "Senior Humiliation" which was the last story I posted to this site.

I suppose it also ties in with your dating options and life experience. When you're 21-25, Uni grad, I was tending to hook up with 18-21 girls. It seemed to be the same story with most of my friends. Girls' sexual market value goes from 0 to 100 incredibly rapidly in their late teens, early 20s, whereas for guys it's a slow, gradual climb to peaking and having your most options in your mid 30s. By then it's not unrealistic for, say, a 35 year old guy to be hooking up with a 42 year old woman. But when you're an 18-21 year old guy, unlike your female contemporaries, you're pretty much (unless you're Bieber or a premiership footballer) the lowest of the low. It would be extremely difficult for a 22 year old graduate, living with parents, little money, little status, little life experience, to hook up with a woman 10 years his senior. So they're kind of off the table, but come on as a preferable option later when a man has "levelled up" and those more youthful male mindsets have evolved.

I'm currently dating a 27 year old woman. I think at this stage anyone under 24/25 would be too much of a generational gap for a guy my age. Some of these 16-21 year old girls I see in the gym I will admit are attractive but just seem vapid and strange. I have no idea what they're into these days. Makes me realise I am probably just becoming a dinosaur... Not cut out for the modern world. I used to be "with it", but they've changed what "it" is into something weird and strange.

[Ryan Futuristics]

Originally Posted by jiminy [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

I'm currently dating a 27 year old woman. I think at this stage anyone under 24/25 would be too much of a generational gap for a guy my age. Some of these 16-21 year old girls I see in the gym I will admit are attractive but just seem vapid and strange. I have no idea what they're into these days. Makes me realise I am probably just becoming a dinosaur... Not cut out for the modern world. I used to be "with it", but they've changed what "it" is into something weird and strange.

I find age a weird thing now .. We're about the same age (I think) – I tend to pass as anything from 24-35.

– 18-21 year old girls are quite different these days .. They can be a bit strange and slow to open up, but they're not having as much sex as previous generations; tend to be more cynical about relationships; they're culturally all over the place .. They're often ultra-feminine – like anime characters – and flirt like they're on LSD .. Lots of eye contact, eyelash fluttering .. Quite wise and introspective .. I love their energy and enthusiasm .. It's refreshing when you get past 35 .. Culturally I find them easy to get on with .. They just look a bit too much like teenagers.

– 27-28 seems to be a sweet spot .. It's the lower end of where we should be dating .. They tend to have a solid sense of who they are and what they want, but still have one foot in teenage lust and idealistic romance .. With white girls, it's often where they peak in looks .. Problem is, they're of the younger millennials generation, which could be a bit whiny, entitled and political .. I often find Gen Z girls (a bit younger) more switched on, less self-obsessed and generally smarter, funnier and less studious.

– 30-38 feel like proper adults .. It can be a drag, in that most conversations turn serious – sometimes it's nice just chatting nonsense with Gen Z girls .. But I think this is the sweet spot for black, asian and mixed girls, and I find deeper connections here, and people who'll challenge you more .. Physically, I think you get the best bodies here, if a girl takes care of herself – and even well into the 40s .. I like properly developed. hard quads and calves, and don't really get that below 25 .. The problem is, there's no perfect – you have to go a bit outside your own age, ideally, and there are always tradeoffs.

[jiminy]

Originally Posted by Ryan Futuristics [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

I find age a weird thing now .. We're about the same age (I think) – I tend to pass as anything from 24-35.

– 18-21 year old girls are quite different these days .. They can be a bit strange and slow to open up, but they're not having as much sex as previous generations; tend to be more cynical about relationships; they're culturally all over the place .. They're often ultra-feminine – like anime characters – and flirt like they're on LSD .. Lots of eye contact, eyelash fluttering .. Quite wise and introspective .. I love their energy and enthusiasm .. It's refreshing when you get past 35 .. Culturally I find them easy to get on with .. They just look a bit too much like teenagers.

– 27-28 seems to be a sweet spot .. It's the lower end of where we should be dating .. They tend to have a solid sense of who they are and what they want, but still have one foot in teenage lust and idealistic romance .. With white girls, it's often where they peak in looks .. Problem is, they're of the younger millennials generation, which could be a bit whiny, entitled and political .. I often find Gen Z girls (a bit younger) more switched on, less self-obsessed and generally smarter, funnier and less studious.

– 30-38 feel like proper adults .. It can be a drag, in that most conversations turn serious – sometimes it's nice just chatting nonsense with Gen Z girls .. But I think this is the sweet spot for black, asian and mixed girls, and I find deeper connections here, and people who'll challenge you more .. Physically, I think you get the best bodies here, if a girl takes care of herself – and even well into the 40s .. I like properly developed. hard quads and calves, and don't really get that below 25 .. The problem is, there's no perfect – you have to go a bit outside your own age, ideally, and there are always tradeoffs.

An interesting point is that when you're early-mid 20s, although you're an adult, your overall life experience still draws from more time, on balance, as a kid. It's still basically a period of adolescence, especially as a male because it's a time when your options and place on the hierarchy of life is still relatively low.

When you're late 30s, however, you've now been an adult (18+) for more years than not. So that is a huge influence on the way you think. Ideally by this age you'll have also built a decent amount of wealth, assets, knowledge and wisdom. You notice an uptick in options and I'm not just talk about women but respect from other men, networking, career opportunity, etc.

Somewhere along the way, I definitely feel my mindset has changed and I've lost touch with my youth. And what I remember (music, games, films, fashion, slang, etc) is not relatable with much of the youth of today anyway.

As I've said before, my work puts me in contact with a lot of 16-21 year old agency workers. Either they're between studies or collage/uni dropouts. Mostly British lads are the really young ones, but some girls occasionally and then most 21+ females will be East European and most older guys (25+) are either south asian or North African, maybe Turkish.

I feel there is now a huge disconnect with people coming out of education and the real world. Young'uns these days seem to be told, weaned on the belief that they are perfect as they are. It's all about love and acceptance. Still suck your thumb at 18, 19? You do you! That seems to be one of the "in" phrases - "you do you". But it's deflating when acceptance, respect, and status is just handed to you. It might fly in soft, woke, educational centres but not the real world. It's a detached fantasy from how the real world works where you have to work on yourself, graft, commit, sacrifice. I think for many the transition is too much of a culture shock and they become disillusioned and seek escapism via porn, gaming, state benefits, or cultism like QAnon, Stop Oil activism, BLM activism, etc.

So there ultimately exists this generational gap that seems too big to attempt to bridge.

I realise as I've been told before, that I'm merely stepping into the well-worn shoes of an older generation complaining about the young, but it just seems worse now. It's an age of extremes.

[Ryan Futuristics]

Originally Posted by jiminy [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

An interesting point is that when you're early-mid 20s, although you're an adult, your overall life experience still draws from more time, on balance, as a kid. It's still basically a period of adolescence, especially as a male because it's a time when your options and place on the hierarchy of life is still relatively low.

When you're late 30s, however, you've now been an adult (18+) for more years than not. So that is a huge influence on the way you think. Ideally by this age you'll have also built a decent amount of wealth, assets, knowledge and wisdom. You notice an uptick in options and I'm not just talk about women but respect from other men, networking, career opportunity, etc.

Somewhere along the way, I definitely feel my mindset has changed and I've lost touch with my youth. And what I remember (music, games, films, fashion, slang, etc) is not relatable with much of the youth of today anyway.

As I've said before, my work puts me in contact with a lot of 16-21 year old agency workers. Either they're between studies or collage/uni dropouts. Mostly British lads are the really young ones, but some girls occasionally and then most 21+ females will be East European and most older guys (25+) are either south asian or North African, maybe Turkish.

I feel there is now a huge disconnect with people coming out of education and the real world. Young'uns these days seem to be told, weaned on the belief that they are perfect as they are. It's all about love and acceptance. Still suck your thumb at 18, 19? You do you! That seems to be one of the "in" phrases - "you do you". But it's deflating when acceptance, respect, and status is just handed to you. It might fly in soft, woke, educational centres but not the real world. It's a detached fantasy from how the real world works where you have to work on yourself, graft, commit, sacrifice. I think for many the transition is too much of a culture shock and they become disillusioned and seek escapism via porn, gaming, state benefits, or cultism like QAnon, Stop Oil activism, BLM activism, etc.

So there ultimately exists this generational gap that seems too big to attempt to bridge.

I realise as I've been told before, that I'm merely stepping into the well-worn shoes of an older generation complaining about the young, but it just seems worse now. It's an age of extremes.

I was actually just out with a 20-y/o blonde from the gym .. East European, personal trainer .. I find the E.Europeans untouched by 'woke' – much more traditional, conservative, carefree .. It's been said a lot, but my gen (older millennials) really gel with Gen Z – whereas it's the whiny millennials that no one likes.

I find there's much more cultural crossover .. So we both watch the same shows on Netflix, listen to a lot of the same music .. Gen Z is really into 80s and 90s culture as well, and shows like Cobra Kai are all about that bridge between these two generations.

Take another staple of Gen Z – Euphoria (HBO series) .. Sam Levinson (the creator) is our age, writing about our lives in the mid-90s .. And Gen Z find it utterly relatable – you make a series about 90s highschool life, but fill it with iPhones, dick pics, dating apps, reddit, trap music, etc. And the two cultures are very similar .. Joe Rogan raves about it .. I think it's very important not to get stuck in an era .. Youth is basically potential and options, whereas old age is inflexibility .. I think they're habits we cultivate .. At 38, you've still spent most of your life under 20.

[gwltabb]

Originally Posted by Ryan Futuristics [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]

I was actually just out with a 20-y/o blonde from the gym .. East European, personal trainer .. I find the E.Europeans untouched by 'woke' – much more traditional, conservative, carefree .. It's been said a lot, but my gen (older millennials) really gel with Gen Z – whereas it's the whiny millennials that no one likes.

I find there's much more cultural crossover .. So we both watch the same shows on Netflix, listen to a lot of the same music .. Gen Z is really into 80s and 90s culture as well, and shows like Cobra Kai are all about that bridge between these two generations.

Take another staple of Gen Z – Euphoria (HBO series) .. Sam Levinson (the creator) is our age, writing about our lives in the mid-90s .. And Gen Z find it utterly relatable – you make a series about 90s highschool life, but fill it with iPhones, dick pics, dating apps, reddit, trap music, etc. And the two cultures are very similar .. Joe Rogan raves about it .. I think it's very important not to get stuck in an era .. Youth is basically potential and options, whereas old age is inflexibility .. I think they're habits we cultivate .. At 38, you've still spent most of your life under 20.

Christ on a bike…talk about taking a post, extrapolating it and expanding way beyond anyone cares to read about. Also kudos for not making a single generalisation in your post, very difficult to do