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Old 07-Oct-20, 20:56
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Default Re: Session rates are getting out of hand

Ok I now understand,lol
It's not the girls that just want a lot of money,,,,, Its the members here that want to hand over their wallets.
Fan "I want a session."
Session wrestler "I charge $300 an hour."
Fan '' NO!''
Session wrestler ''no?''
Fan ''I want to pay more!!!!!''
Session wrestler ''Uh....ok?''
Fan "I want to pay $500. And next year I want to pay $600!''
Session wrestler ''SURE!!!!!''

As for my customs, you totally missed my point. It's THEM telling me that they can produce the video and its THEM telling me that they can make a quality video. And it's them telling me that they produced many videos over the years and that my script will be easy to make. All my information is based on what THEY tell me. Its called 'working' a fan.
NOW....a couple of them are good and I am happy to work with the ones that have helped me out with making my script a reality. BUT, it took me 20 years to find the right ones.
I am telling you that there is a world of opportunity for all of us if we all worked together so that we can all be satisfied customers.
You may want to hand over your wallets to these women and I am happy that you are making them happy. But you spoiling them is hurting the industry.
You want evidence. Here it is.

Added after 10 minutes:

Here is the results of the video scene
Look at screen shot 1. The top video sales are going to someone that uses just simple girls next door and just produces straddle pins in the catfight category. This studio is called catfight sgpin.
The second screen shot shows the top video sales in the mixed wrestling category. The top studio here is grappling girls in action.

What do both of these studios have in common. They DONT use session wrestlers. LOL
If the session wrestlers just took us a little more seriously they could me making more money. But thats ok, you session fans are handing them over your wallets. lol

My point is and has always been, I love the session wrestlers as much as you all do or I would not be here. I am just trying to show you all that we can make this world a better place. Myself, Fritz and many others are not the only ones that are not happy with the custom scene.
I hate to say it but money is leaving the female wrestling scene and going somewhere else. Don't you want to keep the wrestling money in the wrestling scene?
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Old 07-Oct-20, 21:44
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Default Re: Session rates are getting out of hand

Pay cheap rates, get cheap results. Not everyone can afford higher rates, but no point in paying the same thing anyway, $100 at a time, getting disappointed every time. Good luck.

I understand they may be misleading or even lying. Don't buy from them again. This isn't a regulated industry. Support the ones who are good at what they do and who care to do a good job.
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Old 07-Oct-20, 22:00
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Default Re: Session rates are getting out of hand

This thread has gotten a bit on the emotional side, making the world a better place is nice, telling personal stories about things that went wrong is also moving, but the reality is this: The girls are here to make money, and to make as much of it as possible. Right, the good ones give you the feeling that they enjoy their work, and most of them actually do, but it IS their work and Just like someone else said, a good session wrestler is a RARITY and they expect to be rewarded accordingly.
So, I will say it again - this is how it works. A reputable girl who charges $400 and is overbooked every time is not over charging. Why would she settle for less? Would you?
Can’t afford it? Try other ways , there are threads about finding sessions in ads, massage parlors etc...
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I give up, fuck off @[Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register] I wrote my script in proper english!!!!!! That wrestler is very good in english (she is good in learning languages, she also is almost perfect in another of her foreign language (spanish). So a "language barrier" was not the case why she ignored it! And only somebody who hates me, could think that this was the reason why she made a fool of me. She just does not want to read scripts, especially from me! (although now, as she films videos for her own "only-fans-site" she suddenly wrote on twitter that people should send her scripts and that she wants to film them!, WTF!) So, I guess, you want to tell me that I have to write my script in proper hungarian language? You are a moron! So, fuck off, like @[Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register] as well
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Old 07-Oct-20, 22:32
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This thread has gotten a bit on the emotional side
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A reputable girl who charges $400 and is overbooked every time is not over charging. Why would she settle for less? Would you?
I really agree on both points here. Like I tried to explain earlier, what I'd be curious to know if everyone charging $400 really does get all the customers they can handle? If so, they should definitely keep charging $400 and that's just the way it is. What I thought seemed weird was that while the rates across session wrestlers is pretty consistent, I'd imagine that the demand is not, or at least I can't think of any reason why it would be. So it seemed reasonable to conclude that there are some girls charging $400 who aren't filling up their schedule as much as they would like to, which is where I would expect the price competition to come in.
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Old 07-Oct-20, 23:15
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Default Re: Session rates are getting out of hand

Kind of OT here, but in America we always hear this stuff about how the software industry is going to get automated, all the work will be outsourced to cheaper Asian countries. Yet the big companies still pay the big bucks to the good devs in America. Know why? The companies that try outsourcing it have to rewrite the whole code base every year or so. Hire cheap talent, get garbage results. The good ones are expensive, but they get the job done. Just like this guy paying $100 over and over again, getting garbage results every single time, is losing money in the long run.
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Old 08-Oct-20, 02:28
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Default Re: Session rates are getting out of hand

Some girls enjoy wrestling an dominating an some are just out for the money. Hard to find good one these dats
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Old 08-Oct-20, 11:11
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Default Re: Session rates are getting out of hand

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You should be more respectfull to other persons, even if you don´t agree with their opinion, writing like above or like f.. off like before is not acceptable.

It´s normal we all here don´t have the same opinion on everything, but insulting somebody because you don´t agree to what he writes can never be the solution.
You are right that my "f... off" was too much, but I feel insulted when guys like Uxiel do not even try to understand what I wrote and than tell me how much wrong I am in their opinion, because the german asshole Fritz is generally wrong and guilty for everything in his/their opinion.

And did you read what subboy2 wrote to me? Is that ok for you, @[Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register] ?

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Ok I now understand,lol
It's not the girls that just want a lot of money,,,,, Its the members here that want to hand over their wallets.
Fan "I want a session."
Session wrestler "I charge $300 an hour."
Fan '' NO!''
Session wrestler ''no?''
Fan ''I want to pay more!!!!!''
Session wrestler ''Uh....ok?''
Fan "I want to pay $500. And next year I want to pay $600!''
Session wrestler ''SURE!!!!!''

As for my customs, you totally missed my point. It's THEM telling me that they can produce the video and its THEM telling me that they can make a quality video. And it's them telling me that they produced many videos over the years and that my script will be easy to make. All my information is based on what THEY tell me. Its called 'working' a fan.
NOW....a couple of them are good and I am happy to work with the ones that have helped me out with making my script a reality. BUT, it took me 20 years to find the right ones.
I am telling you that there is a world of opportunity for all of us if we all worked together so that we can all be satisfied customers.
You may want to hand over your wallets to these women and I am happy that you are making them happy. But you spoiling them is hurting the industry.
You want evidence. Here it is.

Added after 10 minutes:

Here is the results of the video scene
Look at screen shot 1. The top video sales are going to someone that uses just simple girls next door and just produces straddle pins in the catfight category. This studio is called catfight sgpin.
The second screen shot shows the top video sales in the mixed wrestling category. The top studio here is grappling girls in action.

What do both of these studios have in common. They DONT use session wrestlers. LOL
If the session wrestlers just took us a little more seriously they could me making more money. But thats ok, you session fans are handing them over your wallets. lol

My point is and has always been, I love the session wrestlers as much as you all do or I would not be here. I am just trying to show you all that we can make this world a better place. Myself, Fritz and many others are not the only ones that are not happy with the custom scene.
I hate to say it but money is leaving the female wrestling scene and going somewhere else. Don't you want to keep the wrestling money in the wrestling scene?

I am very happy to see at least one another wise guy here, while we are surrounded by all the white knights, who are happy to hand over their full wallets to the session-ladies.

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Let's come together and curb this as a community. Ferrari are charging $250,000 plus dollars for one car. Outrageous. Lets keep it at $125,000 and politely decline if its more than that. If we don't, this will become the norm.

@[Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register], you quoted the following:

Originally Posted by bk4140:
Let's come together and curb this as a community. Women are charging $500-700 plus dollars for one hour of wrestling. Outrageous. Lets keep it at $350 and politely decline if its more than that. If we don't, this will become the norm.



350 USD are 271 GBP. Does that mean you would like to see the session-fees in London going up to 271 GBP per hour?

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Old 08-Oct-20, 11:17
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Kind of OT here, but in America we always hear this stuff about how the software industry is going to get automated, all the work will be outsourced to cheaper Asian countries. Yet the big companies still pay the big bucks to the good devs in America. Know why? The companies that try outsourcing it have to rewrite the whole code base every year or so. Hire cheap talent, get garbage results. The good ones are expensive, but they get the job done. Just like this guy paying $100 over and over again, getting garbage results every single time, is losing money in the long run.
Which are these great “big companies”? Maybe the ones that steal all the world’s data and build empires on the stolen goods? The ones whose shares are doubling during the pandemic? The ones which create global gigantic e-monopolies, closing down little local shop after shop?

I appreciate your eagerness to point out that you are on a high salary and empathise with your effort to glorify the market, being on the top end. However, I have some news for you! Market prices are more often determined by cartels, unions, political decisions and corruption than Adam Smith’s invisible hand. It may work in your favour if you are a software developer in the US, but not so much if you are a social worker in Africa. Believe it or not, the former is no harder worker or more competent than the latter, just luckier. However, maybe people like to often feel superior and “entitled” to whatever they have and more. And, particularly when real gratification is missing from their lives, there will always be professionals willing to entertain that entitlement. Be it some form of professional company, a casino or whatever…

Who knows how things would be in a “fair world”? Maybe there would be no women in need or willing to do this type of thing for money and no men willing or able to buy such a service. But, we are where we are and I agree with you that noone is “entitled” to nothing, but their views, which noone else is “entitled” to regard as excessive “entitlement”.
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Old 08-Oct-20, 11:24
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Default Re: Session rates are getting out of hand

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You are right that my "f... off" was too much, but I feel insulted when guys like Uxiel do not even try to understand what I wrote and than tell me how much wrong I am in their opinion, because the german asshole Fritz is generally wrong and guilty for everything in his/their opinion.

And did you read what subboy2 wrote to me? Is that ok for you, @[Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register] ?

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I am very happy to see at least one another wise guy here, while we are surrounded by all the white knights, who are happy to hand over their full wallets to the session-ladies.
We are just in different directions on this subject here in the group.

I would also prefer to pay less, but I would not argue with a girl about the price a day or two before the session, that would almost always result in a bad session. If the price is ok for me and I want to do the session, I do it and accept the price, if not I move on and that´s it.

I did read now what subboy2 wrote to you. It´s above the limit at some point too, but I agree with him about that´s is not cool that you permanently complain about being threated badly by the girls. If that´s your opinion why continue in the scene ?
I have had a few less good experiences too, but most sessions and girls were very pleasant, and I am glad to do sessions with them, and I would never publicly complain about one of those, even if from several sessions, may be one was less good than the previous ones, or something went differently than I imagined.
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