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Old 07-Mar-23, 21:02
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I still find is kind of surreal to see where Helen is now compared to her heyday. She was one of the first fetish wrestlers I was exposed to growing up, and I watched many clips from her and Virago Wrestling. She was also a pioneer in the sense that she incorporated high-level sport grappling into a fetish environment. I think before that, almost no fetish wrestlers had any formal martial arts training (and while most today are self-taught, there are more actual BJJ, Judo and the like athletes than there were in the 90s and early to mid aughts. I don't know whether her current living environment was something that was more of a voluntary desire to "live off the grid," or not, but I find it pretty sad and I hope she's doing ok, or as best as possible given the conditions.

You mention how she is such a star to us, but it puts into perspective just how small of an audience we are compared to the rest of the world. You poll a random 1000 people if they know who she is, and I would not be surprised if nobody knew who she was, or at most if only 1 or 2 people did. I also have an attraction toward muscular women, and while I can name ladies like Brandi Mae Akers, Rapture, Britt Miller and Dominique Danger, again, if I poll a random 1000 people, there would probably be nobody who knows who they are.
I'd say 10,000. But I never saw her as fetish I saw her as a competitor. She may have understood that side but for the most part North Americans were quite prudish at that time. It was only once I started seeing dww, Beatrice Goffin and others that you saw there was another side to it. And oh yes they were topless.

Helen was competitive and to me that is what I wanted to see FvsF and good exciting submission wrestling.

What Helen was, was she was thoughtful, intelligent and insightful.

Unfortunately this industry (and BJJ culture too) really has a dark side.

Very sad all that has happened to her.

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Old 08-Mar-23, 03:08
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Beatrice was a pioneer of topless Wrestling.
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Old 08-Mar-23, 12:48
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Why should BJJ make HvM superior? Bea was a well trained wrestler and she knew how to defend herself.

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Just stop it. As much a fan as I was of Beatrice, it wouldn't be close.

Once she became proficient at BJJ she was pretty much Unstoppable. Beatrice would not have still had a chance. What was interesting was before BJJ she was just good but once she learned it was a whole different game.

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Why should BJJ make HvM superior? Bea was a well trained wrestler and she knew how to defend herself.
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According to her Facebook, Helen has gotten married…congrats
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Old 29-Mar-23, 12:39
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To who?
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Jessi is married!
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Jessi is married!
OK,but who did she marry?
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She calls him To..!
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He is one very lucky guy.
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It looks like she's doing OK now. Even her homeless post, she was coherent. Some people become homeless because they run out of money and some because they lose their minds a little and it looks like she was the former.

It appears she's working again, married. Seems to be doing well.

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Do we think Kathy could have brought HVM to submission if they wrestled while both in their primes?

I think Kathy was around 5'6 and 135 or less. Helen is listed in Wrestle Wiki as 5'8 and 155 though she was pretty muscular and bulky at times so definitely would have a weight advantage on Kathy. Feel like this would be a good fight.
Having wrestled both of them, years ago, I think Helen wins. Kathy beat me, but Helen made me feal helpless. Granted, part of that is strength, but I still think Helen would win without too much trouble.

Helen beat Shannon. Helen beat Josephine. I'd put Kathy in the Shannon & Josephine level, both weight class and BJJ skill level. Helen had the skill but she was also bigger and stronger. I think that gives her the edge.

Shannon fought I think it was Stacy Jett. Stacy couldn't get past Shannon's defense, but she said Shannon's body scissors did nothing to her, so it ended in a draw. The only woman Helen wouldn't fight was Malory Sin/Debbie Purcell, but Debbie would only fight with striking, and Helen wasn't a fan of striking.

Debbie beat Olga, and Olga vs Helen might have been interesting, though I'd put money on Helen, but it might have been close.
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