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View Poll Results: Who is the best female submission wrestler of all times? | |||
Judell Du Long | 20 | 5.29% | |
Beatrice Goffin | 10 | 2.65% | |
Maggie Jennings | 4 | 1.06% | |
Sonia Fernandez | 36 | 9.52% | |
Raquel | 55 | 14.55% | |
Helen Von Mott | 84 | 22.22% | |
Shannon Logan | 40 | 10.58% | |
Kathy Gifford | 37 | 9.79% | |
Nadege | 23 | 6.08% | |
Liz Lightspeed | 40 | 10.58% | |
Tiffany | 29 | 7.67% | |
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I have sessioned with all ten of Helen’s top ten. My only disagreement is that I think Yasmin would beat Kathy. When Helen made her list, Yasmin was a bjj blue belt. Later, she got her black belt. Of course, they all beat me, which is all I really care about.
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This has been an interesting thread to read. It introduced me to some of the great wrestlers of the past I never knew of or had the chance to meet. There is one name that I'm surprised is not mentioned. Again someone I never met, so only know her from what I've read. Everything I've ever read says Fabi Antonie was as close to invincible as any woman ever. She world class judo skills, nearly unmatched size and power and brought a level of ferocity that could be scary. Fabi didn't do a lot of video work and I have no idea how she traveled, that maybe why she didn't make the pole.
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Her name is actually Fabi Antoine. I'm not having a go at your spelling, it's just that I'd never heard of her and my googling threw up that name instead. But I'll have to take your word about her wrestling and judo skills because the search images are solely of her FBB career.
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I suppose there would be a few contenders who have been on the scene that haven't got involved much or at all with competitive female vs female videos.
As well as Fabi Antoine, Izabella Mendes is another now who is a top judoka I know. I think in the USA Master Kayla is said to be very good and doesn't do videos either. Amber Deluca's video involvement has been very limited I think hasn't it too? Maybe Dez Desire too thus far? So for girls like these it would depend on testimonies of guys who had sessions with them, or experts like Helen. I'm not sure if Yasmin got involved much in all-female matches did she (I seem to recall she was in a video with Kasie Cavanaugh but it seemed to be catfight style and possibly not fully competitive from what I could tell - I didn't end up buying it anyway but think I noticed it was available at some point). Then there are obviously some new candidates that emerged or developed after Zweig opened the thread and made the video, and/or that Helen might not have known much about. Diana from Fight Pulse of course, Ariel X, Jenny Sjodin, Ola, Kaysha Brazil for example. I don't think I could make a good guess at the answer, and it depends also on whether we're just talking about skills or about overall effectiveness surely. If Helen did actually make a comeback in top shape I guess it'd be good to see her in some matches with new girls - maybe Zweig would invite her to Fight Pulse to see Diana for example! Just from girls I had a session with I probably find it too hard - maybe I'd make a list of 11 myself and say it could possibly be any of them potentially at their best or they could all be fairly close - alphabetically it'd be like this (without considering Ina Black or Dominique Danger actually either due to the session format not giving a good enough impression, but I think DD might even have won vs Helen one time didn't she, although maybe it was post Helen's peak?) Chloe Davis Kasie Cavanaugh Kathy Gifford Madam Mysteria Mayra Conde Severa Sheena Tia Venom Viktoria Warrior Amazone Taking it up to 20 names with honourable mentions in the same way Zweig did (except he wasn't just thinking of girls from his own sessions!) I'd add these and to be honest Calista probably fits better in the main group anyway, even if more because of her strength than skills. I'd doubt they are candidates for the best I ever had a session with, but they'd be in close contention probably at their best. Calista Cindy Huntress Fire (LWS) Jet Kassidy KO Maggie Jennings Malibu Shelby Beach Maybe I wouldn't rule out Ms Xena from that group though because she is very strong and knows some judo moves too I think, and maybe Panther from a few years before I had sessions with her could fit there too, because I think she had had some injuries but she's another who didn't do much in the way of competitive videos, especially all-female matches anyway. I wouldn't be too surprised if the best I had a session with might be deemed to be the same as Helen's number 1 from her most skilled list, Kathy Gifford. I have a feeling Venom felt Kathy was better than herself for example. But again she has more of a history of female matches to refer to than Severa for example. |
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I will add MMA fighter Mallory Sin (Debi Purcell) to the list. (She was ok with her name being revealed.). Hard to imagine anyone beating her. She told me she enjoyed wrestling me because it was so “relaxing.”
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in mixed wrestling she is fantastic...no chance for me. I don't remember exactly but sure she submit me more 5 times in 1 hour one of better wrestler I met |
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