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Old 26-Jul-20, 04:00
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Since I've been 13.. I'm 27 now. I sometimes wonder what it's like to not be so into it.. and sometimes try to take a break (hence the number 5 after my username - tried that many times).

I have come to accept it and I'm not ashamed or anything. I just don't know how life will turn out in the long run with this kind of fetish. I am not interested in regular sex, and i think that's been an issue for me with relationships . I've had to let a few really good women go because of it... And I don't know if I'll find such high quality women again.
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Old 26-Jul-20, 04:31
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Does anyone find a type of women who wrestle attractive too? For me i find asian women, who have strong lower legs.. even if other people find them not attractive for me, asian session wrestlers are my favourite or fitness women. I love their aggressive nature for some reasons.
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Old 26-Jul-20, 05:50
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Yea, I've lived in China for a long while, speak Chinese too (as a white dude) and my good god there is an unlimited number of Chinese girls like that. I used to have at least 2-3 new girls a week wrestle me lol, totally consensual, just good fun.
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Old 26-Jul-20, 06:49
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There you go. NoFap endorsement in this forum? I find it unacceptable. It is the “Naive” looking brother of the disgusting conversion therapies, but it’s no less disgusting. Guys, if whatever you do to fulfill you desires makes you happy, just accept it and do not change !!
Naturally they've turned into a movement, and joined forced with groups that want to ban porn.

Do they go too far? Almost certainly .. But they're not trying to convert homosexuals here, but simply men who get into an addictive rut of self-gratification.

We didn't evolve to play videogames and masturbate ... Almost all human behaviour is motived by the desire to reproduce ... And when that's dysfunctional, the motivation to be healthy, have a career, maintain relationships, tends to suffer.

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I have very similar preferences to @[Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register] and @[Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]. Essentially no interest in regular sex and only interested in wrestling (either F-v-F or F-v-M). Nudity doesn't add to a session or a video for me. If anything, it detracts - as if the parties are nude, IMO the action is less likely to be competitive.

For me, excessive masturbation has not moved me away from more mainstream preferences. I've never had mainstream preferences.
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That certainly wasn't the case for me either. This 'thing' has been ingrained in me since I was 5 years old and essentially operates like a sexual orientation. Sex has always been difficult for us for this reason as well. The whole mindset that seems to be required for sex has just never made sense to me. I've never known sexual arousal to be associated with feelings of lust, desire, love, romantic interest. Instead it's always been accompanied by a sense of threat, fear, danger, shame etc. It doesn't have anything to do with "wanting" another person. Needless to say it hasn't been the easiest thing getting this to work since getting married (3 yrs now!)...
Same as both of you.

Certainly by 5 years old, I was fascinated by the Bambi & Thumper scene in Bond ... I remember having She-Ra figures throw around and domme my male Star Wars figures (10 feet tall vs 6 feet tall)..

So you can easily go down this road very early on. And when you see mixed wrestling, it's much more physical than 99% of porn ... There can be stronger emotions, more skin to skin, more intimacy and eye contact ... And what NoFap I think gets right is it's not a different sexuality, it's just a much higher level of stimulation.

Basically, anyone who gets a porn addiction will tend to veer further off the mainstream.

Prolonged abstaining is called 'reseting', because that's what happens, gradually ... With a healthy libido, you don't need porn or fantasy ... Stimulation alone does it, and sex can just be that ... You forget these things.

My problem with girls was always lack of stimulation ... My nervous system was used to everything cracked up to 11, and regular sex is more like a 3 or 4 with most girls ... But it's the same with regular old porn addiction – they call it 'Porn induced erectile dysfunction' ... The whole fetish thing of needing to feel fear or shame or giant muscular thighs around your head – it's just how your brain gets that hit in its massively desensitised state ... But there's NoFap, or there's sex surrogate therapy – which also always involves abstaining from masturbation for the duration ... Basically: you're going to have to abstain long enough to bring the physical and mental sensitivity to a point you don't need porn or fantasy, then it's relatively easy to install a normal sex drive in its place.

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Old 26-Jul-20, 10:55
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And when you see mixed wrestling, it's much more physical than 99% of porn ... There can be stronger emotions, more skin to skin, more intimacy and eye contact ... And what NoFap I think gets right is it's not a different sexuality, it's just a much higher level of stimulation.
Eh?

Have you seen hardcore porn recently? The level of physical contact and erotic stimulation in porn blows mixed wrestling out of the water any day of the week and twice on Sunday. They aren't even comparable. Watching Xenia bodyscissor the admiral when I was 12 produced as strong of an erotic response in me as anything, but is exceedingly mild compared to the savagery taking place on Pornhub right now.

Not trying to sound defensive here, but it's simply not true that femdom/mixed wrestling is some sort of progression or "advanced stage" of mainstream sexuality. It functions completely differently than a normal lust/desire based porn addiction (at least for people like myself, which according to my [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register] make up about 35-40% of the people on this forum).
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Do they go too far? Almost certainly .. But they're not trying to convert homosexuals here, but simply men who get into an addictive rut of self-gratification.
Bullshit. That’s not what they try to do. They try to ban masturbation and make the men feeling guilty even if they rub one out every one in a while, which is perfectly healthy . Like anything else, if faping becomes addictive then treatment is needed to find and treat the UNDERLYING CAUSE for the addiction. Not to bar a perfectly normal and healthy activity. There is an addiction to sex as well, do you suggest stop having sex altogether?

This is getting a bit off topic here , the main discussion is nice and I don’t want to hijack it, but still promoting Nofap And other tricksters HERE seems out of line to me. Roger, and out .
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Old 26-Jul-20, 17:47
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Deeply. Even when I was a boy play-wrestling the girl next door, she always ended up on top. A fit girl in short shorts out-wrestling a guy and then pinning and Facesitting him is much more interesting to me than regular sex. And of course, being overpowered and outwrestled in a session is heaven. To each their own.
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Basically, anyone who gets a porn addiction will tend to veer further off the mainstream.
Super interesting for me. I have the same 'problem' (or rather, inconvenience as it's harder to find a fitting sexual partner). I have tried nofap years ago. Lasted about 130 days, but didn't have a sexual partner during that time so there was no opportunity to rewire my brain to regular sex.

I'm not 100% sure if what you are saying is true and that nofap might help generating interest for normal sex, but it does seem to make sense to me. Do you have experience with it yourself? With that I mean: "Were you exclusively liking the femdom scene, and are you now after doing nofap yourself able to enjoy normal sex as well?"
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Eh?

Have you seen hardcore porn recently? The level of physical contact and erotic stimulation in porn blows mixed wrestling out of the water any day of the week and twice on Sunday. They aren't even comparable. Watching Xenia bodyscissor the admiral when I was 12 produced as strong of an erotic response in me as anything, but is exceedingly mild compared to the savagery taking place on Pornhub right now.

Not trying to sound defensive here, but it's simply not true that femdom/mixed wrestling is some sort of progression or "advanced stage" of mainstream sexuality. It functions completely differently than a normal lust/desire based porn addiction (at least for people like myself, which according to my [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register] make up about 35-40% of the people on this forum).
Most porn is about as intimate as two pieces of meat being repeatedly slapped together.

A guy pumping away; a girl with her eyes closed making the usual noises; minimal physical contact; no real awareness of each other ... It's basically partnered masturbation ... And fisting and squirting isn't any more hardcore – a lot of it looks about as erotic as a trip to a gynaecologist.

Likewise in relationships ... Most girls are boring in bed ... If you can't get off on sensations like touch, you're not going to get off on a boring, middle-aged, female body you've seen a thousand times ... Sex is a pretty low-bandwidth experience ... Getting overpowered by a girl as she smiles and looks you in the eyes is both incredibly intimate and goes deep into male identity .. It's like maining DMT in comparison

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Bullshit. Thatís not what they try to do. They try to ban masturbation and make the men feeling guilty even if they rub one out every one in a while, which is perfectly healthy . Like anything else, if faping becomes addictive then treatment is needed to find and treat the UNDERLYING CAUSE for the addiction. Not to bar a perfectly normal and healthy activity. There is an addiction to sex as well, do you suggest stop having sex altogether?

This is getting a bit off topic here , the main discussion is nice and I donít want to hijack it, but still promoting Nofap And other tricksters HERE seems out of line to me. Roger, and out .
You don't have to get on board with the whole ideology ... But I spent a month over on their Reddit, and there are *hundreds* of guys with mixed wrestling and femdom fetishes, who can't get it up for regular sex ... and plenty who've recovered once they're treated the porn addiction.

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Getting overpowered by a girl as she smiles and looks you in the eyes is both incredibly intimate and goes deep into male identity
We can agree to disagree on the extent to which sex is a physically stimulating experience, but I think it's more of a red herring in this case. As you said in your quote above, people such as myself with a predilection for mixed wrestling/femdom don't rely on physical stimulation to achieve sexual arousal. Instead, it is deeply psychological and cuts into a man's worldview and male identity. It pertains to his beliefs about men and women and his assumptions about how their interactions should be in the world. For this reason, I would insist that people who achieve arousal this way very much do have a "different sexuality" from those rely on physical stimulation alone. It operates on a different frequency altogether than does desiring the touch and stimulation of another person.

I think part of the disconnect between us is due to the fact that there are those men who see mixed wrestling as a stimulating, adrenaline pumping, competitive experience. People like this are more compatible with things like sex wrestling and mixed wrestling as foreplay. According to my aforementioned poll, this type of guy is actually about a 60% majority on this forum (at least among active participants), so they may or may not be more compatible to with what you're prescribing.
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