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Old 30-Oct-20, 21:58
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Default Re: Session rates are getting out of hand

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Right, so you're taking offense that I would rather hire a less expensive strong female to dominate me over a session wrestler.

As for what I'm looking for? Lift and carry, wedgies, and facesitting. The latter two literally anybody can do. And while the former does require a bit of muscle, keep in mind that I'm only 5'4, 133lbs. Surely there are plenty of women apart from session wrestlers who can physically accommodate this for someone my size and for way less than $400/hr, especially given the latter two kinks require zero skill or muscle.

So, I don't require a "specialist" who is an expert grappler, or has a black belt, or has a bodybuilder physique.

Now, while the session wrestlers are certainly strong enough to lift me, their knowledge of lift and carry tends to be severely limited despite listing it as a service they offer. I end up spending a good deal of the session having to teach them most of the different types of lifts -- and this is after they confirmed in e-mails that they can. They leave feeling great that they now know way more. I leave wondering how on Earth she could charge $400/hr without really knowing what she's doing. If I'm gonna have to to teach a strong dominant female how to accommodate lift and carry, I'd rather find someone who doesn't charge what session wrestlers charge.
Two things:

1. I can assure you I have not taken offence at anything you, or anyone else here, has written in this thread. Sorry to disappoint!

2. You are looking for something niche. Lift and carry does require strength and technique, and is not without risk to the person lifting you (even at 133lbs) as opposed to face sitting or wedgies which, as you say, anyone can do. If have the time to search for a non-bodybuilder / session wrestler who will lift you for less without you having to teach them then great.

But the same can be said for everyone here. Do people want to spend hours looking for someone cheaper, to have to teach them to wrestle / lift etc. That time has a value and some people on here don't want to spend their time looking for something cheaper when the time spent itself has a value.

And therein likes the crux of the issue - if people have well-paid jobs and/or busy lives and don't want to spend loads time searching for cheaper session wrestlers then they will pay whatever the going rate is for the person they want to book.

That doesn't make it a passtime for the very rich, there are plenty of session wrestlers at the more modest end of the market. What makes it a whinging snowflakefest is for people to want the higher end session wrestlers to lower their prices just so they can book them.

To use the analogy of the car again - everyone can have a car but not everyone can have a Ferrari. Ferrari aren't going to lower their prices just because you want them to or you think it's unfair.

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Quite a bit to unpack here:

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What some of you aren't getting is that we all want that same perfect scenario where everyone is happy but then some of you are saying let the market decide and that's just the way it is.
The market DOES decide the price.
  • A few session wrestlers will charge a lot and get a few bookings from a few people who want to pay a lot
  • Most session wrestlers will charge around the average and get an average number of bookings from most people who want to pay the average
  • Some session wrestlers will charge less than the average. They might be busy because they are charging less, or there might be a reason they have to charge less.

Everyone is not going to be blissfully happy in a perfect scenario - this is the open market. There is a mix of the middle ground where session wrestlers set a price and clients book them if they want to. Lower prices = more sessions / higher prices = fewer sessions. Supply and demand.

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I'm concerned the importance of money over everyone's choices and attitudes is souring the whole thing.
The OP's post was about money.
Money, at the end of the say is what stops people having sessions every day (see my point above about supply and demand)

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A lot of potential clients are being priced out cuz the session girls can't figure out another way to screen bad apples and we all accept less and less for more because the market should decide?
"cuz the session girls can't figure out another way to screen bad apples" - seriously? This makes you sound like a c*nt.

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We need to find common ground and set a real standard so con artists and elitists don't set the bar for us.
Do explain how con-artists set the bar.

By "elitists" you mean clients who are willing to pay the "outragrous" price that a few session wrestlers charge? Dry your eyes and book someone else.

I can't afford to buy a Ferrari, I can afford a Mercedes. I am happy with a Mercedes, I'd like a Ferrari but I accept that I will have to 1) work harder or 2) save money or 3) sacrifice something to pay for it.

So I happily drive my Mercedes and don't complain that it's unfair that Ferraris aren't cheaper.

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A third party or something to rid both sides of the equation of time wasters and other assorted nonsense?
And you still haven't explained how your third party client and wrestler vetting system will actually work.

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Old 30-Oct-20, 22:15
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Default Re: Session rates are getting out of hand

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Yes juvi I meant specifically corona, and the shift in the industry has let a lot of so called session girls that are either clueless or just plain greedy flood the scene. That's why prices are getting out of hand, that and guys just paying whatever price for weak service just cuz they can.
If they are not on the level to deliver good and satisfying sessions, they should disappear quickly again. Once bad reviews are around, those girls should not get many bookings anymore.

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What some of you aren't getting is that we all want that same perfect scenario where everyone is happy but then some of you are saying let the market decide and that's just the way it is. The point is we can all do better. I'm concerned the importance of money over everyone's choices and attitudes is souring the whole thing. A lot of potential clients are being priced out cuz the session girls can't figure out another way to screen bad apples and we all accept less and less for more because the market should decide? We don't all have the same exact interests and sessions covers a broad range of things. We need to find common ground and set a real standard so con artists and elitists don't set the bar for us.
You keep posting this idea over and over again. Please specify how that could possible work in reality ?

There is one guy/woman handling all the mails and taking all the bookings ?
Who pays for that service ? How will prices go down with this additional person to be paid ?
How does he/she know all the availability of all the girls ?
Will guys want a third person to know their name and session interets ?
What if I am requirung for a session with wrestler X in a city , and the person has a good relation to woman Y ? Will he book my session with the girl I asked for ? Or will I get information, that that person X is not available and he suggests Y ? How can you prevent things like that from happening ?
How will you make all sessiongirls participate in this ?
And how do you want to prevent them from booking their own ?
Why should session prices go down in this scenario ? Because the intemediate will take care of time wasters ? That would mean you imply that time wasters are the reason why session prices are too high ?

Many questions, do you have the answers or what´s your idea behind of all this ?
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Old 30-Oct-20, 22:28
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Default Re: Session rates are getting out of hand

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"cuz the session girls can't figure out another way to screen bad apples" - seriously? This makes you sound like a c*nt.

Could you explain this, please?
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Old 30-Oct-20, 22:38
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Default Re: Session rates are getting out of hand

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A lot of potential clients are being priced out cuz the session girls can't figure out another way to screen bad apples...
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Could you explain this, please?
Sure.

What adrock4815162342 seems to be saying is that session providers don't know how to screen "bad apples" other than by raising their prices which, in turn, is pricing out "a lot of potential clients"

He is implying that the only reason they are raising prices is to attempt to prevent time wasters; and not because of their business sense in setting the appropriate price for when they want to achieve.

He seems to think that some sort of third party invigilator, to weed out time wasters and maintain high wrestler standards is what the session wrestlers need, but somehow they haven't been able to do it until now.

This makes him sound like a c*nt.

I am not saying he is one, just that what he wrote made him sound like one.
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Old 30-Oct-20, 22:39
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Default Re: Session rates are getting out of hand

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You still haven't answered how it works. Who do I email to set up a session? How does verification work? Data security? Real names necessary? How does the arbiter of justice get paid? What metrics are needed to show whether this system improves the session experience?

How does the 3P earn trust with both wrestlers?
Well, maybe sessiongirls.com could be the third party.

First, say every session girl has to list her rates on the site, even if it was a range, like $350-$450 depending on session type and attire. That alone would already cut down on the first question everybody asks them (what are your rates) and could prevent many from reaching out in the first place.

Second, there's no direct access to session wrestlers' e-mails, as this is likely what wastes so much of their time. Instead, you have to fill out a detailed questionnaire on sessiongirls.com, which gets sent to the session wrestler upon finishing it:

QUESTIONNAIRE:
Name
Age
Height
Weight
Past session wrestlers you have seen
Desired session location (pull down menu shows her travel schedule)
Desired date of session (
Desired time (1hr, 2hrs, 30min...)
Desire time of day (morning, afternoon, evening, late night)
Primary type of session desired (list of check boxes - competitive wrestling, fantasy wrestling, boxing, ballbusting, lift and carry, muscle worship, etc...)
Type of dynamic desired (list of check boxes - sensual, playful, mean, etc...)
Other fetishes/kinks requested (with a list of check boxes, and a spot for "other")
Fetishes/kinks specifically to avoid (write a description)
Type of roleplay desired if applicable (write a description)
Attire requested (write a description)
Any injuries, health issues, concerns (write a description)
Any other final questions (write a description)

A session wrestler then gets notified through sessiongirls.com that someone has filled out a completed questionnaire and is waiting for her to review it. She then reviews the questionnaire and puts a green check mark next to everything she is okay with and a red X next to any part she is not okay with. She also can write a brief message at the end asking any follow-up questions and confirming her rate.

The client then gets notified through sessiongirls.com that his questionnaire has been reviewed. He reviews her review to see if it's a good fit. He then has 3 days to either confirm or reject the session.

If he confirms, she has 3 days to confirm it as well. Once that happens, he is notified that she has accepted his application and that he has 3 days to send the required deposit to her Venmo, Paypal, whatever.

...

This would almost certainly get all the necessary information established very quickly and would likely avoid unnecessary back and forth e-mails as well as most time wasters.
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Old 30-Oct-20, 22:45
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Sure.

What adrock4815162342 seems to be saying is that session providers don't know how to screen "bad apples" other than by raising their prices which, in turn, is pricing out "a lot of potential clients"
This makes him sound like a c*nt.
I am not saying he is one, just that what he wrote made him sound like one.

I guess it will not surprise you that I more agree with him than with you here
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Old 30-Oct-20, 22:51
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Well, maybe sessiongirls.com could be the third party.
Do you know what happened when sessiongirls went from being free to being a paid site for the girls ? Really many left the website and looked for a free alternative.
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I guess it will not surprise you that I more agree with him than with you here
At least you state, on the record, that in your opinion, session providers are incapable of knowing how to set the right prices without your help.

I guess it will not surprise you that I think that fact also makes you sound like a c*nt too
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At least you state, on the record, that in your opinion, session providers are incapable of knowing how to set the right prices without your help.

I guess it will not surprise you that I think that fact also makes you sound like a c*nt too
It's funny how frequently opinions are misinterpreted and then reworded into an assumed idea that was never actually put forth in the first place.

Believe they called it spin tactics -- taking something a person says but twisting it into something they didn't say, all to put them on the defensive and make them look bad.
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QUESTIONNAIRE:
Name
Age
Height
Weight
The idea is ok in theory but I can still imagine the time waster guys submitting that form but asking questions can you do X. Can you lower the price, can you this, can you that, ad infinitum.
Also, no website would put themselves in that situation because of the liability involved.

There is a French guy that created showup23 to try and do exactly that. From what he says he got scammed by one of the girls. He arranged for her on to fly over, paid hotel, arranged the sessions but she never paid him. Lol. So he lost a couple of grand and now the website is gone.i don't think that worked very well.

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This would almost certainly get all the necessary information established very quickly and would l
Also, dez desire has such a form on her website. The girls just need to setup their own systems/website with the questions they seem fit. I don't see a generic middleman working
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