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There are some true stories about women fighting (and defeating) men in armed duels through history.

I'll post them in this thread.

Agnes Hotot defeating and taunting her family's foe Ringsdale



There lived Agnes Hotot in the Castle of Dudley in XIV century. Her father quarreled with another man and agreed to a lance fight to settle the affair. Upon the appointed hour, Agnes's father fell seriously ill. Agnes put on a helmet and disguised her sex, mounted her father's horse and set out for the tourney grounds. After a stubborn encounter, Agnes dismounted her father's foe. When he lay on the ground, she loosened the stay of her helmet, let down her hair and disclosed her bosom, so that he would know he had been conquered by a woman. It can never be known how commonly women fought in the tournaments we are all so familiar with from tales of knights and damsels. One thing is certain, the damsels were sometimes the knights, and Agnes was not the lonesome example.

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The coat of arms of the house of Dudley (Agnes married their ancestor later) show a woman in a helmet, hair disheveled and breasts exposed, the story being that she exposed them in order to prove that she was a woman, and humiliate her opponent.



Her opponent's name was Ringsdale.

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What a humiliating legacy to leave, the only thing he is known for is having his ass handed to him by a young girl in her teens who taunted him afterwards while he laid there helpless and defeated. To make the matters worse it was a daughter of his rival.

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Madame de Saint-Belmont defeats a French officer in a duel

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In XVII century a French officer unauthorized took up residence in the house of beautiful countess Madame de Saint-Belmont who was a young widow that time. The countess sent him a polite note asking to explain his unexpected intrusion but it was ignored. Then the woman sent the challenge for a duel signing the letter "Chevalier de Saint Belmont". The officer accepted the challenge and at the appointed placed he met the lady who was carefully made up to look like a man. Being well trained in sword fencing the disguised beauty in minutes knocked his sword out by a harsh move, cast it aside by a leg and applied to the officer with the words which made him red: "You are mistaken if you think you have been fighting with the chevalier. I am madam Saint Belmont. I urge you to be more sensitive to women’s requests".

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“When M. de St. Belmont, who defended a feeble fortress against the arms of Louis XIV., was taken prisoner, his wife, the Comtesse de St. Belmont, who was of a most heroic disposition, still remained upon the estates to take care of them. An officer of cavalry having taken up his quarters there without invitation, Madame de St. Belmont sent him a very civil letter of complaint on his ill behaviour, which he treated with contempt. Piqued at this, she resolved he should give her satisfaction, and sent him a challenge, which she signed “Le Chevalier de St. Belmont.” The officer accepted it, and repaired to the place appointed. Madame de St. Belmont met him, dressed in men’s clothes. They immediately drew their swords, and the heroine had the advantage of him; when, after disarming him, she said, with a gracious smile, “You thought, sir, I doubt not, that you were fighting with the Chevalier de St. Belmont; it is, however, Madame de St. Belmont, who returns you your sword, and begs you in future to pay more regard to the requests of ladies.” She then left him, covered with shame and confusion.”

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Mademoiselle de Maupin





Julie D'Aubigny (1673 – 1707), better known as Mademoiselle Maupin or La Maupin, was a 17th-century prominent French opera singer, fencing master and duelist. She was a pioneer as a woman contralto and performed nightly shows on the biggest and most highly-respected opera stage in the world. Being a bisexual, she participated in numerous romantic adventures, both with men and women; she provoked many fights and duels (with men only), having killed or wounded at least ten men in life-or-death duels.
She is said to have been born with masculine inclinations as well as having been educated in a very masculine way. Certainly, she often dressed as a man and when she did so could be mistaken for one. She also seemed to have at least as much an eye for members of her own sex as for men. Her skill with the sword, either in exhibition or duels fought in earnest, seems to have been absolutely exceptional among the best male fencers of her time.


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Slender, with firm muscles and breasted almost like a boy, she was athletically built, had very white skin and dark auburn curls with blonde highlights, a beautiful face, blue eyes, an aquiline nose and a pretty mouth. By the time she was sixteen, she could best most of the men she met at her father’s fencing salle.

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She was once again singing for her supper at inns and taverns on her way towards Paris. In Villeperdue she came into the company of a number of young squires at an inn. There are two quite different versions of this encounter. Both agree that she was, as usual, dressed as a man. In the first, she had just finished singing when one of the young men accosted her. It would seem that he had seen through her masculine disguise. "Tell me, o pretty bird, I've listened to your chirping, but now tell me of your plumage?" he called out to her. This angered La Maupin. She rebuffed him and reached for her sword. The young bravo responded in kind and soon the challenge was given and accepted and La Maupin found herself facing three of the squires over cold steel. They withdrew to the tavern's courtyard where she fought all three at once and won. The match ended when she ran the fellow who had offended her clean through the shoulder. Pinned by her blade, her foe twisted around until he could see her sword's point, red with his blood, emerging from his back. She sheathed her blade, turned her back upon the fallen man and withdrew to her room. Her conscience bothered her that night and she couldn't sleep, nor in the morning did she continue on her way. Instead she went to the village barber who acted as the local surgeon and asked after the health of her opponent. The barber assured her that he would recover, and she inquired as to his identity. He was, she was told, Louis-Joseph d'Albert de Luynes, son of the Duke of Luynes and Anne de Rohan-Montbazon. That evening, one of d'Albert's companions called upon La Maupin to convey his apologies for the insults that he had offered her while he was in his cups. He begged her forgiveness and she answered that she would deliver her reply in person. That night, dressed as a woman, she called upon d'Albert in his room, and so began a passionate love affair. She helped to nurse him back to health.

In the second version of the tale, d'Albert did not recognize her for a woman. When La Maupin arrived at the inn, there were a number of lackeys tending the horses of their masters in the yard. La Maupin strode in and took a place at one of the tables where she was joined by the leader of the band. She ordered Burgundy and greeted the young man with a barely stifled yawn. As the drink flowed, the fellow became loud and boisterous, gesturing expansively as he extolled the many virtues of his horse in great and boring detail.

For a time, La Maupin responded in kind, discoursing on the merits of her own steed, but eventually she became bored with the young man's argumentative ways. She stood to leave and he grasped her arm clumsily to restrain her, tearing the lace at her cuff. She rebuffed him, throwing off his grasp and spilling the wine. In a trice, swords were drawn all around. D'Albert, hot with anger, and backed by his followers faced La Maupin's cold steel and colder temper. D'Albert, having studied under the finest tutors, fancied himself an excellent swordsman, but found his best attacks parried, and then with a lightning riposte, La Maupin drove her sword clear through his shoulder and six inches beyond. She held him, skewered on her blade long enough for him to look back over his shoulder and see his own blood on the blade behind him. She withdrew her sword and sheathing it, helped to carry him to one of the inn's rooms. There she was informed he was a gentleman of promise, Louis-Joseph d'Albert de Luynes, Comte D'Albert, son of the Duke of Luynes and Anne de Rohan Montbazon. She countered that she was a gentlewoman of some birth herself, and introduced herself as Mlle. D’Aubigny, known as La Maupin. She thereupon withdrew, leaving poor d'Albert astounded and besotted. He insisted upon being nursed only by her, raving and tearing off his bandages until she agreed to tend him. Thus began their life-long love affair. Both had many lovers, over the years, but theirs was always a special relationship. When he was recovered, d'Albert received orders from the King to rejoin his regiment. They parted and he returned to Paris and then on to Germany. Their farewells were tearful and they swore undying love and fealty and agreed to meet when they could, in Paris or Germany.

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An encounter with another actor at the Opera shows that not only hecklers, but even personal acquaintances could mistake her for a man when she dressed the role. He was Dumenil (Dumeni), an ex-cook elevated to a tenor with the Paris Opera due to his magnificent voice. He is said to have been a dull and stupid fellow with an enormous ego, the sort who strutted like a peacock and coarsely propositioned the women of the Opera. On the night in question he angered La Maupin by first insulting and embarrassing Mlle. Rochois and then Fanchon Moreau and her sister. He then turned his eye on La Maupin. She rebuffed him and he replied with a vulgar epithet. With quiet menace, La Maupin warned "it does not end here." Later that night she donned the clothes of a nobleman and waited for him at the Place des Victoires. There she challenged him to a duel but he refused to cross swords with him so she paddled him severely with her cane and took his watch and snuff box. The next day Dumenil told his friends at the Opera that he had been assaulted by a trio of robbers and though he fought back they overwhelmed him and stole the watch and snuff-box. This was just what La Maupin had hoped for, the opportunity to disgrace him publicly, which she did by declaring, "Dumenil, you liar and base coward! It was I alone who defeated you. You were afraid to fight and so I gave you a sound thrashing. As proof, I return to you your miserable watch and snuff-box."

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On September 11, 1693, La Maupin created the role of Dido on stage to much praise and enthusiasm. After the show, she dressed in her breeches and in the costume of a nobleman, got her sword and crashed a party thrown at the Palais Royal by Phillipe of France. for the ball which was given either by King Louis XIV, or by his elder brother Philippe I, Duke of Orleans. Still, La Maupin proceeded to cause a terrific scandal by her attentions to a pretty young marquise at the ball - dancing with a young marquise, flirting and finally sealing their promised liaison with a passionate kiss on the lady's mouth. Three noblemen, taking umbrage at this most public display, surrounded the couple on the dance floor, protesting La Maupin's disgraceful behavior, mistaking her for a gentleman. One version says that the three challenged La Maupin to a duel. "At your service, gentlemen." she answered them in the standard formula of the duel, and all four withdrew to the dark gardens without to settle the affair. According to another version, she was requested for an apology but refused to apologize and challenged the three gentlemen to accompany her out. Nobody could know what exactly happened in the dark garden, we just can repeat rumors. As soon as she came out of the ball accompanying by the three gentlemen, she unsheathed the sword and instantly killed one of the men. Then the other two got in fight with her and were killed by the angered fencer. There was another version that La Maupin came to the ball in the costume of Dido, with a sword. One of noblemen floutingly asked her what was the reason a lady had a sword. She was insulted and challenged him to a duel. He was surprised and refused to fight against a woman. Then she demanded public apology. Marshallers were displeased by such behavior and asked her to leave but she refused. Then ladies asked gentlemen to take the “presumptuous singer” out.

In any event, she retired to the garden with her opponents and returned alone, unscathed and unscratched...

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Tripple fencing duel of Maupin. Engraving by Jules Girardet. 1885

There are television series from 2004 and Italian film from 1966 made that are loosely based on her story:
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Here are some scenes from the Italian movie where she is played by the beautiful Catherine Spaak, there's some lesbianism and a duel with a man which she unfortunately loses:

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The main reason I really like these kind of stories (especially from medieval and early modern era) is because they're from a time when women were expected to be feminine and submissive while men were the warriors, especially when it comes to nobility. These days it's not so rare to see a woman capable of beating men since there are a lot of women who are athletic, into BJJ, have army training etc. while there are also a lot of men who are simply out of shape so society has somehow accepted that it's possible for a woman to beat man in some form of combat, you see it all the time in movies. But back then it must have been extremely rare, that's why there are so few of these stories over a period of more than millenia.

For a knight to be beaten by a noble lady who had to act and dress extremely feminine all her life must have been extremely humiliating. It's like being beaten by rapunzel or cinderella. It was also a time when personal and family honor was much more important, a matter of life and death. That's why I like the first story I posted about the young noble girl having to replace her sick father to duel his family's foe over a piece of land so much. It's simply incredible that this story is true and it's probably one of the most humiliating losses of a man to a woman recorded.

Just imagine it, this young girl Agnes slipped out of her fine feminine gowns and put on a helmet not because she was some sort of tomboy who wanted to enter the men's world and fight but because there was hardly any other choice at the moment and he family's honor was at stake. And then she somehow defeated the rival guy named Ringsdale in a knight tourney with a lance and revealed her breats and long hair to show him that he was beaten by a lady as she knew this was the worst possible humiliation she could inflict on him. It must have been absolutely terrible for Ringsdale to be beaten by a woman who despised him and was a daughter of his bitter rival and to see her standing there triumphing over him and taunting him while he laid in front of her helpless and completely at her mercy.

This was also a huge blow for his entire family's honor. Not only did Ringsdale and his family lose the land they quarreled for but they had to live in complete shame knowing that their rival family's young teenage daughter defeated the man of the family. And to make the matters worse this is practically the only thing Ringsdale is known for, his name is only mentioned in history next to the name of his female conqueroress.

It's like a complete femdom fantasy story that actually happened.
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Mary Read



Mary was a good fighter. According to legend, she developed an attraction for a man who had been forced to join the pirate crew. The object of her affection managed to irritate a certain cutthroat on board who challenged him to a duel. Mary, fearing that her would-be lover might get killed, challenged the brute to a duel of her own, timing it for a couple of hours before the other duel was supposed to take place. She promptly killed the pirate, in the process saving the object of her attentions.

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The best known tale about Mary Read is about the duel she fought with a pirate in her lover's stead. A pirate that Mary fancied argued with an older, more experienced pirate and a duel was set to settle the quarrel. Mary had no doubt that her lover would die so she began her own fight with the pirate, which led to a duel. Although slighter and smaller, Mary held her own in the fight which included both cutlasses and pistols for some time. Her opponent was nearing victory when she ripped open her blouse to reveal her breasts. Shocked by the revelation that his shipmate was a woman and that he dueled with a female, her opponent stumbled and Mary all but detached his head with her cutlass, killing him.

When her lover arrived for his duel he found his opponent dead and Mary triumphant.

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Great topic, Al! Thanks!
There was a time when I was obsessed with Julie D'Aubigny. Read a lot about her and watched two or three movies about her life. What an ass-kicker she was!
Here's Julie victory posing over her defeated foes while holding her lover. Don't remember the name of the author, unfortunately.
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I remember this one Julie D'Aubigny tale, where she beat the crap out of three guys. Well, she liked one of the men she beat up so much, she went to apologize to him... And fucked him.

She's so awesome, even her victims want to fuck her! Now that's femdom!
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In some book on feminine empowerment, I came across an anecdote about the former heavyweight champ John L. Sullivan.

He was in a ring, set up to do an exhibition bout for charity or something, but his scheduled opponent didn't show. To keep the crowd amused, the wife of Sullivan's manager put on gloves and got in the ring with him to spar.

As the story goes, he "over-acted" a little, hurt the woman, and she decked him, knocking him unconscious. To be sure, it's dubious as to whether a guy as big as John L. could have been knocked out if he'd been braced for it, but by catching him off guard, the lady presumably rocked him hard enough for the old brain-bonks-the-skull concussion.
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In some book on feminine empowerment, I came across an anecdote about the former heavyweight champ John L. Sullivan.

He was in a ring, set up to do an exhibition bout for charity or something, but his scheduled opponent didn't show. To keep the crowd amused, the wife of Sullivan's manager put on gloves and got in the ring with him to spar.

As the story goes, he "over-acted" a little, hurt the woman, and she decked him, knocking him unconscious. To be sure, it's dubious as to whether a guy as big as John L. could have been knocked out if he'd been braced for it, but by catching him off guard, the lady presumably rocked him hard enough for the old brain-bonks-the-skull concussion.
Her name was Hessie Donahue, and she was 18 at the time.
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