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Default Fear of getting punched is completely unrelated to judo

Getting punched in the face is not for everyone.

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Brendan Schaub makes a solid observation in the video below, but what he - like so many others who talk MMA - leaves out is that the ability to absorb a shot to the nose is a SUPERNATURAL trait that most people simply do no have. Obviously, a major goal in a fight is NOT to get hit in the first place, but if your game plan involves eating punches and you're not equipped for that...you're not going to meet with much success against people who do know how to punch.

NO AMOUNT OF COACHING IN THE WORLD can give you a supernatural trait you were not born with. So, it's up to your coach to train you on how to avoid that getting-hit-in-the-face situation to begin with.

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Default Re: Fear of getting punched is completely unrelated to judo

So, who else thought of Ronda Rousy reading the title in this thread. Say what you want about her, but she took like 8 or 10 straight shots to the nose from Amanda Nunes and she stayed on her feet. She got wobbly, but she didn't fall.

There's got to be a joke in there about using her face to make her opponents hands hurt.
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Ronda absorbs a light jab about 4 seconds into the fight, but is still good. Amanda misses with a big right a few seconds later, but then lands a combination that seals the challenger's fate. Ronda does not recover from the left that snaps her head back and then moments later, she feels that right and 13 seconds in, the match is over, because her protective instincts are all wrong for what she's feeling.

Adrenaline can block pain, but that's not a block that lasts forever. But even though the pain may not stop you, it's known that a shot to the head can leave you disoriented and unable to know what to do to keep from getting hit again.

For me, being able to "take a punch" to the face means being able to absorb the shot and still maintain focus on executing the next attack, while preventing your opponent from being able to execute theirs, as desired. That doesn't mean there is necessarily NO effect, but that the effect doesn't completely make you forget about what you planned to do.

Making your opponent miss is a huge part of fighting - stationary targets are much yummier than moving ones - but fighters like Nate Diaz who can take shot after shot and still be lucid are extremely rare. This is a gift few people possess and if the paid MMA commentators were a bit more honest and actually paying attention, they'd acknowledge this reality.
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I think you're spot on right. Ronda also never trained for this kind of fight against someone like Holly or Amanda. She trained in Judo and she was undefeated in MMA until recently. Traditionally, MMA has been more about ground game and the ground fighters usually win. Amanda & Holly are boxers (Amanda might not be a real boxer, but she was against Ronda). It's a strange new world for women's MMA.

I don't watch much mens MMA as I mostly just like the ladies, so I'm curious, has this happened in Mens at all too? Has a striker or two ever dominated? Not to my knowledge, it's almost always on the ground with men, I mean, a guy can throw punches with his opponent on the ground, but I consider that part of a ground game.
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The reason why you have to overcome your fear of getting hit is that the fear of getting hit actually impedes your ability to fight, and an opponent, who isn't afraid of getting hit, will exploit that fear and corral you into positions that are bad for you.

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So, who else thought of Ronda Rousy reading the title in this thread. Say what you want about her, but she took like 8 or 10 straight shots to the nose from Amanda Nunes and she stayed on her feet. She got wobbly, but she didn't fall.

There's got to be a joke in there about using her face to make her opponents hands hurt.
It's actually a lot harder to knock someone out with a punch than movies say it is.
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It's all about the defense, there are numerous ways how to defend in boxing, one of the important traits you need to have is to be able to "roll with the punches", that is that even when you're getting hit your head/upper body is in motion and you're limiting the damage of the blows.

This is how elite level head movement and defense looks like by one of the best boxers in the game right now:

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He also uses angles and footwork to defend. His movement evades the punches while also enables him to be in perfect balance to fire back whenever he sees oppenings which makes the opponent tentative.

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It's actually a lot harder to knock someone out with a punch than movies say it is.
A trained boxer would deck anyone with a punch straight on the chin just like in this street fight where Russian amateur boxer takes out two guys one by one both with only one perfectly placed hook:

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The reason why these things don't happen in top level fights is because elite pro fighters know how to defend. But even at that level if it connects on the chin you can go down easily, especially if you walk into the punch (like Conor vs Aldo).

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I think you're spot on right. Ronda also never trained for this kind of fight against someone like Holly or Amanda. She trained in Judo and she was undefeated in MMA until recently. Traditionally, MMA has been more about ground game and the ground fighters usually win. Amanda & Holly are boxers (Amanda might not be a real boxer, but she was against Ronda). It's a strange new world for women's MMA.

I don't watch much mens MMA as I mostly just like the ladies, so I'm curious, has this happened in Mens at all too? Has a striker or two ever dominated? Not to my knowledge, it's almost always on the ground with men, I mean, a guy can throw punches with his opponent on the ground, but I consider that part of a ground game.
Striking is extremely important in MMA now, it's seems that it got to a level where basically everyone knows basic fundamental ground game and most fighters just neutralize each other's grappling and strike with each other. Most top guys in the UFC are there because of their striking. Even olympic wresler Cormier won his last big fight (against Gustafsson) without attempting takedowns but just by boxing him up.

There are few guys who rely mostly on grappling like Demian Maia and Khabib but even they have to work a lot on their boxing to not get caught while they move in and close the range.

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Obviously about Ronda and her being completely unprepared to box (and react). It was actually pretty pathetic watching her.

Now how does this affect our little "fetish"? Again the issue is BJJ effectively removing the sexuality and fun out of F/F submissions. Two well trained BJJ women effectively know how to neutralize one another's moves.

I just watched an early Veve vs. Ariel X match and a good 13 minutes of grappling but devoid of sensuality and what I wanted from videos when I started.

As said the genie is out of the bottle, get used to it.......
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Obviously about Ronda and her being completely unprepared to box (and react). It was actually pretty pathetic watching her.

Now how does this affect our little "fetish"? Again the issue is BJJ effectively removing the sexuality and fun out of F/F submissions. Two well trained BJJ women effectively know how to neutralize one another's moves.

I just watched an early Veve vs. Ariel X match and a good 13 minutes of grappling but devoid of sensuality and what I wanted from videos when I started.

As said the genie is out of the bottle, get used to it.......
There aren't many skilled BJJ women even at the top level of MMA, you can still see a lot of submissions especially with strikes involved (the old saying black belt becomes a brown belt after punched in the head). Also there are more and more female strikers entering MMA who leave a lot to be desired on the ground and can end up being embarrassed by even blue belts.

I'm not that big of a fan of WMMA from the perspective of our fetish but what I find the most sexy is when one woman completely dominates another, particularly if there was sort of trash talk involved, I don't care if she does it with striking or grappling.
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Killer has developed a face punch obsession because he does not want to accept the fact that if he ever tries to punch a Judoka in the face he will get hurt
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Obviously about Ronda and her being completely unprepared to box (and react). It was actually pretty pathetic watching her.

Now how does this affect our little "fetish"? Again the issue is BJJ effectively removing the sexuality and fun out of F/F submissions. Two well trained BJJ women effectively know how to neutralize one another's moves.

I just watched an early Veve vs. Ariel X match and a good 13 minutes of grappling but devoid of sensuality and what I wanted from videos when I started.

As said the genie is out of the bottle, get used to it.......
I don't see it nearly the same way. For instance, when I watched that match between Ariel and VeVe, I saw two women who were developing, and using, the kind of skills that could make a session with them even more sensual. These are women who could legitimately out-grapple me and get me into a hold. From there, it doesn't have to differ from any other session. I would far prefer that to me having to do the jobber thing where I pretend to resist but am really just pretending to get caught in a hold. That a woman put me in that hold despite my not cooperating is, to me at least, far more sensual.

So maybe watching BJJ girls fight each other isn't for everyone but think of what the abilities they're developing and what use they could be put to in a session. Also, just consider these two. They both do way more than straight BJJ. Ariel does porn-wrestling, VeVe has the bondage stuff...these are not one-trick ponies. As I understand it, session girls train in BJJ to allow them to give better, more authentic sessions. Some do, but most are not out there competing in tournaments or trying to advance themselves in the BJJ world.

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I think you're spot on right. Ronda also never trained for this kind of fight against someone like Holly or Amanda. She trained in Judo and she was undefeated in MMA until recently. Traditionally, MMA has been more about ground game and the ground fighters usually win. Amanda & Holly are boxers (Amanda might not be a real boxer, but she was against Ronda). It's a strange new world for women's MMA.

I don't watch much mens MMA as I mostly just like the ladies, so I'm curious, has this happened in Mens at all too? Has a striker or two ever dominated? Not to my knowledge, it's almost always on the ground with men, I mean, a guy can throw punches with his opponent on the ground, but I consider that part of a ground game.
Strikers are beginning to dominate. Conor McGregor is mostly a striker. The big Garbrant/Cruz fight this past Friday was entirely on the feet. I guess what has happened is that people are learning better takedown defence and improved ways of avoiding the clinch, taking away some of the natural advantage of wrestlers and Muay Thai fighters.

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